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Post by Frozazen on Apr 28, 2014 12:57:21 GMT
I'm honestly glad you said this was a doubles team, because now that makes each of these guys a little more viable haha XD And you're right, since the stat difference between pokemon isn't so big, there really aren't any "good" or "bad" pokemon, just better teams and better trainers. The more you like a team that's more or less poorly put together, the more mindgames you'll end up having to play in order to keep the surprises coming and outplay more balanced teams. Keep using those favorites, bro  |
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Post by Stove on Apr 28, 2014 15:13:42 GMT
Clax and I have already worked out a general Kecleon set, Frozn.
Kecleon @ Lefties/ AssaultVest/Life Orb
Adamant Nature, Protean, 252 HP 252 Atk
Power Up Punch
Sucker Punch
Shadow Sneak
Recover/Magic Coat/Drain Punch
Power Up Punch is suprisingly easy to get off with Kecleon's good HP when invested, acceptable defense and great SDef. After that he's going to be ripping through teams with his dark/ghost combo which is only resisted by Darks. The fighting moves cover this, ripping through things while boosting/getting health. The last slot is a toss up depending on what you need and what item you're using. Since Frozn pointed it out, Fake out is an option for doubles. That'd make him kinda like hitmontop with all the priority support and high SDef.
Funny, I'm training a 'top right now for doubles.
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Post by Frozazen on Apr 28, 2014 18:02:22 GMT
I like this set One thing is that Kecleon's HP doesn't justify lefties, so I'd keep it at Life Orb/Assault Vest |
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Post by Indigo on Apr 28, 2014 19:20:56 GMT
Leftovers is pretty good with Recover against Sp. Attackers, and not if you burn a physical attacker. I used Assault Vest for a while, and tanking was fun, but since he can learn Recover, that's just better with his natural Sp. Def.. He learns a great array of support moves overall that are better than the vest. In my Trick Room set with Poyrgon2, I had him with a Flame Orb and Trick. Switches type to Psychic with Trick to resist his only default weakness, and then is set on the road to start a sweep as he can then usually outlast with Power-Up Punch and Recover until they switch. It at least greatly handicaps a Pokemon (and takes their item that may be useful to Kecleon).
For a Skill Swap set, it'd be awesome to have a Protean Sceptile (Greeninja?) or Heliolisk or Zoroark or Porygon2... Actually, Protean Porygon2 with impressive boltbeam STAB and type switching, while being a Recover buff tank... Sounds pretty crazy. Analytic Kecleon from the switch wouldn't be too bad a tradeoff. Protean Scyther and Technician Kecleon? Heliolisk's diverse movepool getting STAB and type switches? Dry Skin heal in rain + Leftovers and Recover Kecleon? Too bad Illusion won't work when swapped... Well, thinking about it, I wonder if it actually would be a good choice for doubles. He could be used as support Pokemon to give most of my team Protean, or as a final move before Kecleon goes down to keep some Protean going across the team, while the other Pokemon Protects or something.
Kecleon, you're amazing! He involves a lot of risk, but can pull off quite some plays with the right moves at the right time, both offensive and support.
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Post by Frozazen on Apr 29, 2014 2:10:07 GMT
Haha I was pretty hyped up on Kecleon, too, but I realized that one Fake Out would be the end of him. That's not to say that you can't outplay that, but you currently have no Protection against Fake Out.
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Post by Stove on Apr 29, 2014 3:39:49 GMT
Haha I was pretty hyped up on Kecleon, too, but I realized that one Fake Out would be the end of him. That's not to say that you can't outplay that, but you currently have no Protection against Fake Out. What he said. Also, post your full sets. EVs, natures, items, all that jazz. Seeing the team members alone doesn't help too much. |
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Post by Frozazen on Apr 29, 2014 3:51:03 GMT
Sorry to break the strategic talk, but I laughed a little too hard at this XD  |
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Post by Indigo on Apr 29, 2014 5:27:57 GMT
I did mostly explain what I had in mind for each... I've rarely done doubles though. Today I used this on Showdown, it's just experimental:That's about it, just a rough idea mostly. It's more or less a singles team with most Pokemon having a 'team' move. If necessary I think I could depart with Porygon2 and/or Valscythe the Liberator for the greater good of the team, but I'm not sure who would be in their place. I'm thinking maybe Zoroark and Tropius. Not really... Tropius is awesome but bad smh. Claxorus maybe?
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Post by Frozazen on May 4, 2014 13:55:52 GMT
Hey guys don't forget the International Championships coming up in two weeks www.pokemon.com/us/pgl/2014-international-challenge-may/Anyone else going to join? EDIT: this is the team I'm currently thinking of going with. If anyone would like to take a look at it and give me some tips, that'd be great. I have to be away for a bit, so I'll explain sets later if I have to. The main things are Lucario to take care of Kangaskhan, and my main lead is Talonflame/Mega Garchomp, and Gyarados/Salamence for double intimidate and more free earthquakes Gyarados @ Wacan Berry Ability: Intimidate -Dragon Dance -Waterfall -Earthquake -Protect Salamence @ Yache Berry Ability: Intimidate Timid Nature -Flamethrower -Draco Meteor -Hydro Pump/HP flying -Protect Garchomp @ Garchompite Ability: Rough Skin Adamant Nature -Earthquake -Dragon Claw -Rock Slide -Protect Lucario @ Life Orb/Lucarionite Ability: Inner Focus EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature -Aura Sphere -Flash Cannon -Dark Pulse -Protect Rotom-Wash @ Sitrus Berry Ability: Levitate -Discharge -Hydro Pump -Will-O-Wisp -Vilt Switch Talonflame @ Focus Sash Ability: Gale Wing EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Jolly Nature -Brave Bird -Tailwind -Flare Blitz -Taunt also Riku I'll be on later tonight if you want to trade then |
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Post by Stove on May 4, 2014 20:20:13 GMT
Sorry to break the strategic talk, but I laughed a little too hard at this XD That's so bad, but so hilarious. I'll be joining as well, Frozn. |
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Post by Frozazen on May 8, 2014 1:40:48 GMT
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Post by Metal on May 8, 2014 5:50:38 GMT
eh i would join, but well seeing as how i dont have my game, or 3ds, and my teams werent all that great even before i quit playing to move for school, id get knocked out of the tourney pretty early id wager, my lack of confidence in my pokemon skills aside, i heard today that 3ds remakes of ruby and sapphire are scheduled for release in november around the 30th, i think the titles are Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby or something like that. and while it isnt a remake of emerald (like that was gonna happen anyways  ) i am thinking its gonna be semi decent, i plan to consider getting the sapphire remake once i know more, kyogre is better than groudon imo not just cause of typing, but bc i like its looks better lol. |
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Post by Frozazen on May 8, 2014 6:35:03 GMT
I like the way Kyogre looks, too, but I'm getting Omega Ruby because I am loyal to my Ruby version Yes everyone should get the remakes, and join the rest of us as we relive the glory days of the past! Also I think I've gotten much closer to perfecting the Chansey/Shuckle strategy replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogondoublessuspecttest-117725991I use Chansey as a healer that can also heal herself. Her gigantic defenses allow her to sponge hits from the opponent, thus distracting them. Then her partner can either set up, like my Swords Dance Rhyperior, or simply attack, while Chansey heals with Heal Pulse. I wish I could try this team out against Mega-Kangaskhans and Talonflames, though. None of those seem to be in the lower tiers for some reason. |
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Post by Stove on May 14, 2014 2:58:48 GMT
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Post by Frozazen on May 14, 2014 3:35:40 GMT
 The synergy is veery nice in this team. Is this a singles or a doubles team? It looks like a very hyper-offensive team, with maybe Mismagius being a will-o-wisper, though she can run a good nasty plot set  Talonflame can also use prio tailwind, i suppose.
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Post by Stove on May 15, 2014 2:59:08 GMT
The synergy is veery nice in this team. Is this a singles or a doubles team? It looks like a very hyper-offensive team, with maybe Mismagius being a will-o-wisper, though she can run a good nasty plot set Talonflame can also use prio tailwind, i suppose. It's actually a balanced team in sets. Talonflame and Azumarill are my physical brutes, Magnezone and Mismagius are special attackers, Kanga is a physical wall (I know it sounds weird) and Goodra is special. It is offensively inclined as my walks are bulky attackers. Here's my sets so far. Talonflame@Lum Berry (this is the same T-Flame by the way) Adamant, Gale Wings, 252HP 252 Atk Swords Dance Flare Blitz Brave Bird Roost Azumarill @ Splash Plate (I used to run Sitrus for bulk but Aqua Jet needs all the power it can get without recoil) Adamant Huge Power 252HP, 252Atk Belly Drum Aqua Jet Superpower Play Rough Magnezone (Still under construction, probably gonna be a specs or scarf set) Goodra @ Leftovers/Assault Vest (haven't decided here) Modest Sap Sipper 252 HP, 252SAtk Draco Meteor Dragon Pulse Thunderbolt Flamethrower Mismagius @ Leftovers/something else (don't know yet) Timid Levitate 252SAtk 252 Spd Nasty Plot Substitute Shadow Ball Dazzling Gleam The neutral coverage is perfect except for Pyroar and I like hitting Dragons SE. Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhite Impish Scrappy 252HP, 252Def Substitute Seismic Toss (have to get this from gen 3 tutors is the problem.) Crunch Sucker Punch Seismic Toss does 100 damage in standard wi-fi due to parental bond. |
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Post by Indigo on May 19, 2014 20:52:20 GMT
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Post by Stove on May 20, 2014 0:04:46 GMT
Type synergy-wise, keeping the pokemon you're adamant about keeping (both of which have to be weak to the best bloody type in the game), Mega-Mawile solves about 90% of your problems in place of Tropius, and it's the mega you initially liked as well. This does leave you with 5 pokemon using physical attacks, however. Might I suggest Goodra over Haxorus to even it out more? Truth be told, if you really want help you need to scrap one of the two you want to keep. Some your other favorites can work (Porygon 2) but Heliolisk brings the two nastiest weaknesses in the game with its inclusion. It's why Rock-Steel types can never work as a high tier pokemon defensively. Here's an example of a half and half team that would work well. |
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Post by Indigo on May 20, 2014 2:25:45 GMT
Lol Steve suggesting replacing Heliolisk with Aegislash. Kecleon and Heliolisk are the two who'll be staying no matter what. Heliolisk is like my Pikachu, at least in an equal favorite position as Kecleon since his appearance. Well... I already know I won't be winning tournaments, but I want to make a decent team without Mainstreamslash. But in all fairness, Kecleon's weakness to Fighting is only a problem against Mach Punch. I did like Mega Mawile, but a 105 attack stat that doubles for no reason is ridiculous, especially capable of using Sucker Punch... I added Tropius for a few reasons, and I know his stats are lacking, but he replaces Sceptile for the most part, while contributing more to the team. Sceptile was just a fast (and somewhat weak) physical attacker with a good movepool. Tropius has Leech Seed, some pretty fair HP and defenses, has an ability that goes great with Sitrus Berry and can Roost as well. He has an immunity and resistance to both of Heliolisk's weaknesses. He's a pseudo-support-offensive-defensive Pokemon... Actually, a possible move is Growth. I've been thinking of adding Mega Charizard Y. With sunlight, Tropius can much more reliably use Harvest... And Growth will be a really good buff. Growth/Leaf Storm/Earthquake/Air Slash(/Roost?) offensive set? The normal set may be better though, Leech Seed/Roost/Protect/(Leaf Storm/Earthquake/Air Slash). But, Heliolisk can also have Solar Power. With sunlight and that ability, Heliolisk would be an excellent Choice Scarfer with a lot of Pokemon he can hit super effective + 1.5x. Otherwise Charizard adds some incentive to use Surf or other water attacks, which Dry Skin Heliolisk can switch into and likely counter. Well, I'm not against removing Tropius, but just saying why I've been considering him. That last team was just a vague attempt to use some new Pokemon to make my team better, but I think this is looking much better: www.pokemon-tools.com/xy/en/type_analyzer/352/006c/695/357/184/123/or replacing Azumarill with Rotom Wash: www.pokemon-tools.com/xy/en/type_analyzer/352/006c/695/357/479c/123/The first may be better. And anyway, according to this Azumarill is my only matching Pokemon typing! |
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Post by Stove on May 20, 2014 14:37:04 GMT
I don't reccomend Aegislash because it's mainstream. (And you're debating using Zard-Y who is just as mainstream.) I reccomend it because it supports almost every team incredibly well and is the only steel type that covers fighting types. It can perform just about any role its moveset allows and be good at it. Zard Y is a one-trick pony that just kinda gets obliterated by stealth rocks and rips through everything better than mawile (who you say is overpowered.)
Please just admit you don't like Aegislash or tell me why you're so adamant of not using it.
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I made a thing... Long live Gotcha Force!!!
Talonflame can also use prio tailwind, i suppose.