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Post by Rikuseroth on Apr 26, 2014 19:53:03 GMT
I had the wrong Pokemon in my box.
Two of then should've been switched out
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Post by Stove on Apr 26, 2014 19:54:25 GMT
I had the wrong Pokemon in my box. Two of then should've been switched out Same here; I actually didn't mean to have Volcarona, Talonflame is usually in that spot. |
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Post by Rikuseroth on Apr 26, 2014 19:55:59 GMT
I didn't mean to have roserade and zororark
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Post by Stove on Apr 26, 2014 20:05:44 GMT
I didn't mean to have roserade and zororark Well Zoroark did well (except for FOCUS MISSSSS), nice prediction on the lead. |
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Post by Rikuseroth on Apr 26, 2014 20:27:50 GMT
I need to work on its evs before i use it for battle
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Post by Rikuseroth on Apr 27, 2014 19:42:17 GMT
Ok, so I'm working on a sun team, cuz I found a HA bulbasaur from wonder trade.
So far, I've got
Mega Charizard Y
Venasaur
Ninetales
Starmie(for rapid spin)
Ferrothorn
And I need one more. How's it sound?
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Post by Stove on Apr 27, 2014 20:20:34 GMT
Ok, so I'm working on a sun team, cuz I found a HA bulbasaur from wonder trade. So far, I've got Mega Charizard Y Venasaur Ninetales Starmie(for rapid spin) Ferrothorn And I need one more. How's it sound? Please remove that Ferrothorn. It's painful to look at on a sun team. You're only screwing it against fire attacks even more. At least when it's not in sun it can live some weaker fire attacks. That aside, looks pretty good. |
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Post by Rikuseroth on Apr 27, 2014 20:28:59 GMT
How about throwing in Noivern and Talonflame?
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Post by Stove on Apr 27, 2014 23:08:35 GMT
How about throwing in Noivern and Talonflame? Noivern is better suited for a Rain team due to Hurricane being its best STAB move, and you already have one pokemon 4x weak to stealth rocks with the exact same typing as Talonflame. I say no to both. I think you should add some strong physical threats to your team, as right now every pokemon except Venusaur (and it might even be a special set, I don't know) is a special attacker. I recommend something like Speed Boost Blaziken or Infernape, and after that probably a strong rock type. Heck, you could use TTar, just make sure it's HA so it doesn't remove your sun. |
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Post by Rikuseroth on Apr 27, 2014 23:30:19 GMT
I actually already am training both of those. I got a HA Chimchar from wonder trade.
Now if I could only get a HA Starly
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Post by Frozazen on Apr 27, 2014 23:39:27 GMT
I actually already am training both of those. I got a HA Chimchar from wonder trade. Now if I could only get a HA Starly You. Give me something so I can give you this HA starly that's been wondering who its trainer is  You don't need to give me anything, since I'm just looking for BM items, and I can get a life orb, myself. What's your friend code? mine is 3DS FC: 2423 2535 9673 IGN: HIRO |
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Post by Indigo on Apr 27, 2014 23:40:08 GMT
Kecleon
Heliolisk
Sceptile
Scyther
Greninja
Zoroark/Porygon2
Can this ever work?
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Post by Rikuseroth on Apr 28, 2014 0:27:34 GMT
I can't trade today. I can after school, though tomorrow. But for a very small time, I'll be available. What time one are you in, fro? I'm in mountain.
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Post by njayhuang on Apr 28, 2014 1:06:25 GMT
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Post by Frozazen on Apr 28, 2014 1:11:55 GMT
I can't trade today. I can after school, though tomorrow. But for a very small time, I'll be available. What time one are you in, fro? I'm in mountain. Sorry Riku, but I can't play on the weekdays since I leave my 3DS at home, and I go stay near my university during the week. Are you alright with trading on friday or saturday? |
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Post by Rikuseroth on Apr 28, 2014 1:12:43 GMT
That should work
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Post by Rikuseroth on Apr 28, 2014 1:37:56 GMT
My fc is in the fc thread btw
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Post by Stove on Apr 28, 2014 3:02:51 GMT
Kecleon Heliolisk Sceptile Scyther Greninja Zoroark/Porygon2 Can this ever work? The team has four weaknesses to the best offensive type in the game, with only one resisting it. You have five types that hit all your pokemon for neutral damage or more (you somehow even managed to have six pokemon who don't resist poison. That's a miracle in itself since poison is resisted offensively by five types. Three are very, very common.) However, even though it still has a crapton of weaknesses as a team, Aegislash solves all your problems in place of Heliolisk. I'd ditch more dark and normal types from the team though, having three pokemon weak to fighting is horrendous. In order of usefulness to the team I'd say Zoroark is the most dispensable. To be honest, I like what youtuber Verlisify says about team building; find a balance. Have three strong favorites (Zoroark, Scyther, Porygon2) and three powerful pokemon that cover their weaknesses well (Aegislash, Rotom Wash and Swampert). As you can see, this balances your team much better than before. EDIT: I didn't see Kecleon, but your original team has four fighting weaknesses anyway. |
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Post by Frozazen on Apr 28, 2014 6:00:52 GMT
Kecleon Heliolisk Sceptile Scyther Greninja Zoroark/Porygon2 Can this ever work? Something tells me you like lizards and the chameleon-like ability to change type  Well Steve gave you the solid opinion of a laddering veteran, so I guess I'll give you the other, more naive/potential-seeking opinion, which I like doing, anyway The pokemon you've listed show, according to base stat: Special Attack: Heliolisk, Sceptile, Porygon2 Physical Attack: Kecleon, Scyther Mixed: Greninja, Zoroark The first thing that pops out about this team is the fact that your opponent won't really know what type three of your pokemon are going to be (Greninja/Kecleon for Protean, and Zoroark for Illusion). Okay so first comes Kecleon's analysis. Looking at his stats, the only concern I'd have would be his HP and Speed. However, Kecleon can use 3 priority moves: Fake-Out, Shadow Sneak, and Sucker Punch. Unless you want to be running Trick room to get over Kecleon's speed issue, you might want to stick to making use of his prio and solid attack to maybe pick off weakened opponents. So you can use a set of -Shadow Sneak -Sucker Punch -Drain Punch/Rock Slide/Power-up Punch -Substitute With a Life Orb, his attack gets boosted to base 117, which is pretty respectable. Check these random calculations: >252+ Atk Life Orb Protean Kecleon Shadow Sneak vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 218-260 (83.2 - 99.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock >252+ Atk Life Orb Protean Kecleon Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 439-517 (167.5 - 197.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO >252+ Atk Life Orb Protean Kecleon Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 304-359 (108.1 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO >252+ Atk Life Orb Protean Kecleon Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 152-179 (42.4 - 50%) >252+ Atk Life Orb Protean Kecleon Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Alakazam: 413-486 (163.8 - 192.8%) So his LO boosted Protean Sucker Punch can do a lot of damage, and Substituting on the switch can let you kill Mega Lucario in one hit with Drain Punch. Also Stealth Rock support is useful for giving you those last bits of damage you need. Next comes Greninja. He's a solid, popular OU mon, so here's the set I'll give you: Timid w/ Protean @ life orb -Hydro Pump -Ice Beam -Dark Pulse/U-turn -Extrasensory Ice beam kills dragons not named Goodra and Noivern (the former too bulky, the latter faster). Extrasensory is for killing the fighting types that plague your team. Dark pulse is for Ghost types/psychic types, but you could opt for U-turn for a quick get-away to scout out switch-ins, and do good damage to psychic types and dark types. Also he can learn spikes, if you wanted to use focus sash. Though I said he can use physical attack, it's almost identical to Kecleon's spread minus sucker punch, so I don't think you should use that. Okay so this is taking a while, so here's a quick analysis of the rest of your pokemon: Heliolisk: Fast Special attacker that has is most useful in the Rain, as he can fire off fast Thunders and heal each turn with Dry Skin. The reduced fire weakness in rain is appreciated, as well (assuming you're using Dry Skin). Fast speed at 109, good SpAtk at 109, and decent SpDef at 94. Everything else kind of is bad. here's a set: -Thunder/Thunderbolt -Dark Pulse/Thunder Wave -Grass Knot -Focus Blast Scyther: Fast and hits pretty hard at 110 Atk. Interestingly, Scyther can baton pass, or you could go all out attack, with moves like Swords dance, Aerial ace, quick attack, brick break, bug bite, u-turn. His high speed can get a good number of kills. However, Stealth Rocks kills this guy, so maybe have a defogger? This is the best fighting type counter, so you may want to keep it despite its relatively bad coverage. Porygon2: You seem to have a good number of fast and frail pokes, so I'd suggest that this guy stays. Give him an eviolite, and Porygon2 can tank so many things. The ability Trace is pretty useful should you get something like motor drive or flash fire. Here's a smogon set: ~ Thunderbolt ~ Ice Beam ~ Toxic / Thunder Wave ~ Recover Plan is to do a lot of little damage as you heal the little damage that opponents do back. Be wary of knock off. Sceptile is a rather sad story, as he wasn't very useful in gen5, using: ~ Leaf Storm ~ Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire ~ Focus Blast / Rock Slide ~ Earthquake Speed is 120, which is great, but is now slower than greninja and talonlame. SpAtk is at 105, so that's a solid stat. If anything, this may be the weakest of the suggested mons. Zoroark: Arguably the most fun in the hands of an experienced player. Good offensive stats at 105/120 atk/spatk, and 105 speed is good. Has a great movepool with Dark Pulse, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Sucker Punch, Low Kick, Extrasensory, Substitute, Grass Knot. Disguise him as Kecleon to make opponents think that he is slower, and kill those fighting types with extrasensory! |
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Post by Indigo on Apr 28, 2014 9:36:51 GMT
Lol Steve suggesting replacing Heliolisk with Aegislash. Kecleon and Heliolisk are the two who'll be staying no matter what. Heliolisk is like my Pikachu, at least in an equal favorite position as Kecleon since his appearance. But with all due respect, that just won't be happening. I'm stubborn and having to use good units in SDGO to do good is why I quit that. Pokemon at least has a bit more of a strategical aspect so average Pokemon can do decent. Least I got rid of Emolga.
Honestly, he's not that bad. His typing is a hindrance though not terrible, but his stats are like... Almost good. Offensively anyway. He'd be breaking tiers if his Speed and Sp. Attack were both a little higher. Dry Skin also eats any water attack, though that's rarely be used against my team... Anyway, Thunderbolt, Dark Pulse, and Surf. Not sure why you didn't suggest it... He runs on water! Didn't know he could Grass Knot, though. Thunder Wave is good, too. Overall his coverage is one of the biggest reasons he's good.
But actually, with Doubles in mind, he does learn Electrify... I think it was. Turns any attack into electric. That's a great team move. I've been running Hyper Beam, with a Normal Gem. I can't help it, I love having him OHKOing anything that's not defensive with gekigan beam! I like to keep it as a game finisher/emergency break... But I'd run a Choice Scarf if I ever changed it.
Enough on Heliolisk... Kecleon is surprisingly good. Me and Steve sweeped each other with Keckeon. Power-Up Punch makes him quite lethal with priority. Plan B, Porygon2 with Trick Room, and give Kecleon Thunderbolt/Flamethrower/Ice Beam/(Charge? I think he can learn the electric attack that buffs Sp. Attack). He turns into a super 'fast' Protean jutsu ninja, with different types to switch to than Greninja. Should be noted he can't learn Stealth Rock this gen (tutors). And... Skill Swap is a potential move for Doubles.
Porygon2 is self explanatory... But he's an excellent Trick Roomer if I want to go with that (probably not) He's basic but very solid.
Scyther... Yep, he's pretty buff with Eviolite, fast and strong. Just bad coverage. Not bad with Roost. I may consider Swords Dance with Baton Pass... He's my biggest attacker but setting up Kecleon or Greninja or Sceptile with Sword Dance could be crazy. Rock x4 tho.
Sceptile I use as a physical attacker because his physical set is actually pretty amazing. Swords Dance makes up for it. Focus Sash with Unburden guarantees he'll pull off the buff, and already has great speed for sweeping. The thing about Sceptile is he has an attack to counter anything that checks him. He also becomes ridiculous with Weakness Policy if it activates on a Sword Dance turn. That, however, was also ridiculous to set up. Nonetheless amazing. Gekigai, you became a hero that day.
Greninja... Not much to say. He's just awesome and can really abuse that Protean. Keeps enemies guessing which fits the only advantage my team has over cookie cutters.
And Zoroark... Yeah, I love his 'chameleon' gimmick. It really plays well with my team as I just said. The issue I have is that he's yet another Fighting bait. Which isn't too horrible. Kecleon has Shadow Sneak Protean priority, Greninja has Protean with very good speed... Heliolisk gl. And Zoroark can't take a Fighting attack, either. Still have tricky options but Mach Punch would have a field day with my team.
As much as I love Porygon2 and Zoroark with his gimmick, I've been thinking I need something that can really round up the team. Actually, I had Charizard in mind. He's a lizard and has some power my team needs... He adds a water weakness to my team for advantageous Heliolisk switch-ins. Not sure about megas, though... But if I went with Y, I could also have a Solar Power Heliolisk with a Life Orb, and he'd do some real buff sp. damage with great coverage.
Yay, I'm not the only one that tl;dr brainstorms.
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