Borg Tier List

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Do Y'all think that antarus is better than sirius

[Viroth]

Antares is definitely not better than Sirius or Death Arc, because it has less fire power and more cost. The little Alpha Wings are annoying, at most, and it cannot hold its ground very well against other Fortress borgs.

Where Sirius / Death arc have an insanely high amount of ammunition that practically never runs out, Antares is forced to use Alpha Wings which are not only inaccurate, but rather weak and cannot stand up to borgs of the same cost. I find that the Alpha Wings' only use is their suicide runs, since it can knock other borgs down.

In short, Antares brings less bang for more buck.

"You could have this brand new, state of the art Grenade Launcher for 100$, or that shabby old pistol over there for 200$".

Not to say that Antares isn't good or that it's a pushover, but it just takes longer, more skill, more cost, and more risk, to do the same thing Sirius / Death Arc can.

[Admin]

Tar Diver is godly in 1 vs 1, but pretty mediocre at best otherwise.
So where does that lead him?

[Frozazen]

put him in low tier. witht he shooting going all around, he's only good against close ranged borgs. but i do enjoy watching ninjas throw shuriken into the tar, because it slows to a stop and spins in midair, and if you touch it, you fly off ;D

also, i think that if you're comparing antares to his fellow fortress borgs, then you're leaving out all of the other borgs in the game. i see antares as much better against those smaller borgs, the ones that actually linch when you hit them. see, gold hero can take out sirius and death arc, because he can dodge those smaller bullets, leaving only those sweeping beams to use. it's really hard to dodge the alpha wings, because it doesn't come from the origin. so, seeing how sirius and death arc constitute for only two borgs, i'd say antares should have a higher spot on the list.

i also can't believe that gold hero is being disputed. true, the transforming is a HUGE setback, because all you have to do is wait, and charge beam him or something, but after he's transformed, there aren't that may borgs that can outrun him, so you're pretty much dead. he can take out the fortress borgs, the machine borgs, the knight borgs, the ninja borgs, except cyber ninja, the musha, the girls, the vehicles, the support borgs, and the winged borgs, except anubis wing.
to counterpick against him, there are a few borgs that would do the trick, like cyber ninja, planet hero, and anubis wing. to shoot him using a beam (the ones that go through walls, i call the small ones "lasers"), you have to wait until right after her begins his dash, because then he can't change his direction. but to do that you risk getting shot so much more, and if you dash right before shooting you shoot straight forward, and miss.

onto slow valkyrie. i have had some major problems trying to use her in a 1 v 1 match, because the beams go the same speed. that slow spell is REALLY SLOW, and getting it to hit in the first place is REALLY DIFFICULT. then even after yo land it, then it's still hard to keep the slowness, because some borgs are too fast for it, as long as they're moving (even something like normal ninja). so the key to using her is to stay at that distance where you can hit him, and he can't hit you. if i could just get that distance right! usually i end up dying, and that's against my little brothers! i shudder thinking abo what i'd do if i were to fight myself... because slow valkyrie is, well, really slow, so i'd die in a split second...so perhaps we should put her in high tier, because all of the borgs in top tier would eat her alive, maybe in the middle to bottom of high tier, yes, that's where i would put her for now. when that one guy who just PWNS with her comes along, then i'll change her spot.

[Viroth]

Allow me to explain myself in my argument against Antares. I shall answer each of the points you have made in your statement, one by one, to avoid confusion.

also, i think that if you're comparing antares to his fellow fortress borgs, then you're leaving out all of the other borgs in the game

I understand what you mean, but I had to compare it to the closest thing, in its class. If you were to compare a dagger to another weapon, would you not say "a shorter sword"? A "deadlier, longer knife"? As such, I was merely comparing Anateres' effectiveness as compared to other borgs of his type.

i see antares as much better against those smaller borgs, the ones that actually linch when you hit them

Yes, Antares is better at actually hitting them, but the damage is mediocre, and at the cost of 1,500 GF Energy, it's not the most cost effective way to deal with smaller borgs.

gold hero can take out sirius and death arc, because he can dodge those smaller bullets, leaving only those sweeping beams to use.

I haven't seen gold hero in capable hands, but I really must digress that I keep seeing people stating that Death Arc / Sirius aren't very good. I'm not sure if this is your bias, but in capable hands, Death Arc / Sirius will destroy any borg that isn't a dragon. Unless you're going up against someone who uses Fortresses to their best extent, I'm not sure you can say that a lone gold hero can take down Sirius and Death Arc.

it's really hard to dodge the alpha wings, because it doesn't come from the origin

I don't find them that hard to dodge, but that's a different story. The thing is, they may be more difficult to dodge than Sirius / Death arc's little bullets, but they're weak. Unless they crash into you, which is not a reliable attack, they will be doing negligible damage to you. Not to mention the Sirius - Death Arc Anti-Air shots aren't reliable either, and are only good if you really need to hit something.


Now, I can't say much on Slow Valkyrie, as I don't use faster borgs very often, so I would ask someone else to confirm what coolfreez has stated about her. Perhaps I'll try her out later.

[Admin]

Dec 29, 2010 18:14:07 GMT Viroth said:

at the cost of 1,500 GF Energy

Antares costs 1300 GF.

[Frozazen]

hmmm... i know that the best way to find out is to try it myself, but i'll take your word for it that the alpha wings can miss a lot, because it kind of makes sense.
hey just to get a general idea here, we all agree that the max shot is never supposed to be used, right?

but i seem to be hit more by the alpha wings than i do sirius's lasers. also, the sweeping beams is really dangerous, so if you know how to use them right, then i'd love to try my gold hero against it to see how well i would do. curse Gotcha Force for not being advertised!

and i don't remember if we already talked about this, but have we taken down ruby knight from the upper parts of the tier list? i don't see him as even close to being an equal of sapphire knight.

[glow=red,2,300]also, njay, you need to check your messages more. i need your numbah[/glow]

[njayhuang]

Dec 29, 2010 15:54:37 GMT Frozazen said:

also, i think that if you're comparing antares to his fellow fortress borgs, then you're leaving out all of the other borgs in the game. i see antares as much better against those smaller borgs, the ones that actually linch when you hit them. see, gold hero can take out sirius and death arc, because he can dodge those smaller bullets, leaving only those sweeping beams to use. it's really hard to dodge the alpha wings, because it doesn't come from the origin. so, seeing how sirius and death arc constitute for only two borgs, i'd say antares should have a higher spot on the list.

coolfreez, I think you misread Viroth's post. He's comparing Sirius' effectiveness to Antares' effectiveness, not pitting Sirius against Antares in a battle.

Dec 29, 2010 18:14:07 GMT Viroth said:

I haven't seen gold hero in capable hands, but I really must digress that I keep seeing people stating that Death Arc / Sirius aren't very good. I'm not sure if this is your bias, but in capable hands, Death Arc / Sirius will destroy any borg that isn't a dragon. Unless you're going up against someone who uses Fortresses to their best extent, I'm not sure you can say that a lone gold hero can take down Sirius and Death Arc.

Cost factors into the equation as well. So it's not 1 Gold Hero against 1 Sirius, it's more like 2.38 Gold Heroes against 1 Sirius. That may make a difference, it may not. I haven't seen a capable Sirius so I can't tell.

Dec 29, 2010 15:54:37 GMT Frozazen said:

onto slow valkyrie. i have had some major problems trying to use her in a 1 v 1 match, because the beams go the same speed. that slow spell is REALLY SLOW, and getting it to hit in the first place is REALLY DIFFICULT. then even after yo land it, then it's still hard to keep the slowness, because some borgs are too fast for it, as long as they're moving (even something like normal ninja). so the key to using her is to stay at that distance where you can hit him, and he can't hit you. if i could just get that distance right! usually i end up dying, and that's against my little brothers! i shudder thinking abo what i'd do if i were to fight myself... because slow valkyrie is, well, really slow, so i'd die in a split second...so perhaps we should put her in high tier, because all of the borgs in top tier would eat her alive, maybe in the middle to bottom of high tier, yes, that's where i would put her for now. when that one guy who just PWNS with her comes along, then i'll change her spot.

A few questions: How often do you have Slow Valkyrie matches? Are your brothers decent at Gotcha now?
Regardless, this is actually really interesting since most of the slow valkyrie discussion was based on speculation. I must have remembered the slow effect being much slower than it actually is if a slowed normal ninja can outrun the spell.

[Frozazen]

Dec 22, 2010 13:17:49 GMT Viroth said:

Antares is definitely not better than Sirius or Death Arc, because it has less fire power and more cost. The little Alpha Wings are annoying, at most, and it cannot hold its ground very well against other Fortress borgs.

yeah he does compare him to the others! but he also compares the effectiveness, too. but i said that from what i've seen, the alpha wings are better than the little lasers that sirius shoots.

oh, and the littlest one has gotten the hang of Gotcha. move fast and shoot ;D but every time its one-on-one, i always want to try slow valkyrie to see how good i do, but every time i get beaten up by the likes of flame ninja and beam samurai. not good.

[njayhuang]

Dec 30, 2010 2:09:50 GMT Frozazen said:

Dec 22, 2010 13:17:49 GMT Viroth said:

Antares is definitely not better than Sirius or Death Arc, because it has less fire power and more cost. The little Alpha Wings are annoying, at most, and it cannot hold its ground very well against other Fortress borgs.

yeah he does compare him to the others! but he also compares the effectiveness, too. but i said that from what i've seen, the alpha wings are better than the little lasers that sirius shoots.

Actually, I thought he was saying that the Alpha Wings' performance can't hold its ground against Sirius' performance. Eh, whatever.

Dec 30, 2010 2:09:50 GMT Frozazen said:

oh, and the littlest one has gotten the hang of Gotcha. move fast and shoot ;D but every time its one-on-one, i always want to try slow valkyrie to see how good i do, but every time i get beaten up by the likes of flame ninja and beam samurai. not good.

I would agree with that last sentence.

[Frozazen]

okay maybe not beam samurai, but everyone should know what i mean. SLOW VALKYRIE IS DIFFICULT TO USE. so, the tactic i use would be to use the X glide, so i can move fas along the ground while shooting, and charging B after each recharge. the problem lies mostly when i try to get the slow spell to work. by the way, DON'T TRY TO FLY. that's how you get shot. you move faster X-gliding, because you can change your direction much faster. i learned that the hard way. also, if you don't judge your distance correctly, like i said before, then you will get hit by things like flame ninja's flamethrower, or your slow spell will miss every single time. good luck to those who want to use her!

[njayhuang]

When you say "don't fly," do you mean fly as in staying high in the air? Because slow valkyrie's x button is called fly and now I'm confused.

[The Regal RP Mod]

he means the jump-fly that wings borgs can do. but with my turbo controller thats no prob for me

[Frozazen]

^ not exactly. the Wing Glide (like how i coined that word?) is when you're on the ground with a borg that knows the "Fly" move, you push X, but immediately afterwards you dash out of it, so it looks like you're standing above the ground, but you're "sliding" around fast, and you can still shoot while you're doing it.

edit: but after you dash out of it, you have to be holding onto your control stick, because if you just dash out of the glide, i don't think that you will keep on going unless you keep holding the control stick to the side. you can also go in any direction you want, by the way. you'll know you did it if you are gliding smoothly along the ground.

i'm surprised that no one knows about it. unless they do, and can't understand what i'm saying.

[ambar875]

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