Borg Tier List

[njayhuang]

Well this has been dead for some time on the Gamefaqs board so I brought it over here to (maybe) get some more Gotcha discussion.

This version of the tier list is strictly meant for 1v1. The tier list is divided into five tiers: Top, High, Mid, Low and Bottom, which is invisible to save space.

inb4SamuraiShogunshouldbeinthelist
Samurai Shogun is not included because he's too slow, his main mode of damage is a gimmicky shot, and he costs 620. This has been the general consensus of the Borg Tier List thread on Gamefaqs.

***Top Tier***

Neo G Red -500
G Black -600
Anubis Wing/Garuda -750
Proto Mars -900
Proto Red -850
Cyber Ninja -640
Sapphire Knight -630
G Red -300
Gold Hero -420
Ruby Knight -590
Beam Wing Red -400
Death Borg Sigma II -180
Cyber Girl -440
Blade Wing -650
Eagle Robot -1000
Slow Valkrie -350

***High Tier***

Planet Hero -530
Proto Atlas -850
Beam Gunman -650
Barrier Girl -500
Cyber Girl Hyper -620
Beam Wing Blue -350
Command Girl -330
Teleport Ninja -400
Accel. Ninja -380
Panther Robot -1000
Cyber Girl Super -590
Star Hero -520
Dark Knight -610
Victory Baron -850


***Mid Tier***

Flame Ninja -590
Proto Blue -800
Imperial Knight -550
Cyber Hero -450
Antares -1300
Demon Wing -610
Victory King -1000
Death Borg Sigma -100
Death Borg Lambda II -150
Ring Valkrie -280
Cosmic Dragon -1700
Proto Eagle -850
Panther Vehicle -620

***Low Tier***

Titan Robot -1000
Drill Robot -500
Beam Tank -780
Sirius -1000
Jet Hero -350
Chrono Samurai -600
Death Wing -550
Blue Striker -200
Orange Fighter -200
Victory Duke -850
Wire Girl - 220
Ghost Knight -590
Elemental Knight -540
Blizzard Dragon -1550
Proto King -800
Hammer Knight -450
Proto Titan -800
Proto Panther -800
Plasma Dragon -1600
Flame Dragon -1500
Powered Gunman -350
Tao Master -300
Time Bomber -220

Let the discussion begin!

[Admin]

I've seen that list and it's nothing short of a joke.
Sirius and the big dragons so low?

Proof beyond proof that the maker of that list has zilch experience with them. Especially if it's one vs one.

[njayhuang]

The List takes into account cost as well. Multiple copies of most borgs in the tiers above the dragons could destroy them. As for Sirius and Antares, most borgs above them can dodge the beams and range them to death.

[Admin]

Sirius is well worth his (actually quite low considering what you get) 1000 GF.

The Flame Dragon is quite expensive, but the pure, brute power you get easily transcend smaller Borgs with the same total cost.

[MeAmCryzor]

Why isn't Planet Hero in the top tier?

Why is Blizzard Dragon so low?

Why isn't Gatling Gunner not even in it?

One word: Boo

[njayhuang]

Nov 14, 2009 18:29:24 GMT MeAmCryzor said:

Why isn't Planet Hero in the top tier?

One of my concerns with the list as well.

Nov 14, 2009 18:29:24 GMT MeAmCryzor said:

Why is Blizzard Dragon so low?

My second post.

Nov 14, 2009 18:29:24 GMT MeAmCryzor said:

Why isn't Gatling Gunner not even in it?

One word: Boo

That's why this thread was made: to discuss and revise the tier list, not to comment on how it differs from one's own tier list.

EDIT:
Removed "personal" from "one's own personal tier list" because of redundancy.

Just to clarify, it's okay to comment on how it differs from your own tier list as long as that's not the only thing you say.

[MeAmCryzor]

^Okies.

Well in my list;

• The dragons would be higher
  
• Planet Hero would be in the top tier
  
• Sirius would be higher
  
• Antares would be lower
  
• The gatling tank and gunner would be fairly high
  
• Ruby knight would be lower
  

[Dogmantra]

The trouble with this is that it's completely subjective. It is not something you can classify. Yes, some borgs are a little more powerful, but you can't put them into neat boxes, because it all depends on play style. If you are a dragon and you're facing a fortress, or a player who likes to keep his distance, then dragons are going to look powerful. If, instead, this player likes to stay behind you and melee you, then dragons are going to look really weak. Same with everything else.

[Admin]

^ Good luck getting behind an experienced big dragon (Flame/Blizzard/Plasma) player in a 1vs 1 mode.
I smell one-hit-KO for the dragon player.


My view on the list's top:

Sapphire Knight and Gold Hero are bottom Borgs in my book.

Using the shield properly feels much more luck-dependent than actual skill, and Gold Hero is downright not good > super-long time needed for transformation, slow special (2x at most during transformation) and very limited transformation time.
I'd pick Metal Hero any day.


Slow Valkrie is only useful if you have a great partner at hand (Tama, Sho) to be the main attacker, thus limiting her usefulness.

The Proto Borgs aren't much to flash about, especially considering their cost. Early Battles they might be good, but hardly reliable later on.

G Black is good but a little overrated.
I feel much more confident with Neo and he costs less.

I honestly haven't using Beam Wing Red and Cyber Girl much enough to properly evaluate them, but I can't see they being overall ultra-useful Borg.

[Dogmantra]

Nov 15, 2009 14:35:54 GMT Admin said:

^ Good luck getting behind an experienced big dragon (Flame/Blizzard/Plasma) player in a 1vs 1 mode.

Cyber Ninja + Cyber Shuriken for knockback + only using jetpack = easy to get behind.

[MeAmCryzor]

^Against an experienced player like Admin said, Cyber Ninja (Or any borg for that matter) wont last two seconds against a dragon.

Edit: Stupid grammar

[The Regal RP Mod]

dude, i've gotten my *** handed to me by big dragons several times as cyber ninja. Especially against the mega dragons(cosmic and CDD) Yet i can fight them better as Flame Ninja. But Plasma and Blizzard still own me.

[Dogmantra]

Nov 15, 2009 17:59:43 GMT MeAmCryzor said:

^Against an experienced player like Admin said, Cyber Ninja (Or any borg for that matter) wont last two seconds against a dragon.

Edit: Stupid grammar

Sure they will. The dragon blasts are friggin' easy to dodge if you know what you're doing. Plus cyber ninja is friggin' overpowered.

In other words: as I said before, it's entirely subjective, though I will admit in this case, it is very much who can hit first, since one hit from either side will basically lead to death for the other party.

[Admin]

Another thing to take into account is the mastery curve.
Small Borgs needs to be constantly moving, constantly dodging and (obviously) attack constantly.

The bigger ones, especially fortresses, only need you to press attack once or twice (or more if the target manages to dodge or is a bigger Borg) and the opponent is defeated. A small positioning might be needed, and the only movement dragons need is to semi-aim or take flight.

[Dogmantra]

Rocket launcher tag!
That's what I was looking for!

Small borg with knockback vs. Competent dragon player is somewhat akin to rocket launcher tag in that the first person who hits wins.

[juggernaut]

Big dragons are my main borgs and i can easily say theyre the most overpowered units in the game.

If your borg is in melee distance, hes going to eat a b blast. Most borgs die in 1 or 2 of those. You cant dodge it, it basically spawns right ontop of you and is bigger than most borgs. It also hits behind you. unless you spawn under a big dragon, youll never get close to it. X breath recharges fast and hits everywhere. It also kills just about every borg in one hit.

On top of all this i can fly, attack while flying, have infinite flight using x breath boosting, have position dominance (can only be moved by a few special attacks), i dont flinch, but i gain the invincibility time of flinching.

2/3 cyber Ninjas or a flame dragon? HAH!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgY-AAetmqw

[njayhuang]

Nov 15, 2009 11:39:37 GMT Dogmantra said:

The trouble with this is that it's completely subjective. It is not something you can classify. Yes, some borgs are a little more powerful, but you can't put them into neat boxes, because it all depends on play style. If you are a dragon and you're facing a fortress, or a player who likes to keep his distance, then dragons are going to look powerful. If, instead, this player likes to stay behind you and melee you, then dragons are going to look really weak. Same with everything else.

The list is sort of a measure of potential. It assumes people will choose the best play style in each match up. It's not like people only play a certain way with all characters. Keeping distance against a dragon is stupid and any one who does is not using the borg to its fullest potential.

Nov 15, 2009 14:35:54 GMT Admin said:

^ Good luck getting behind an experienced big dragon (Flame/Blizzard/Plasma) player in a 1vs 1 mode.
I smell one-hit-KO for the dragon player.


My view on the list's top:

Sapphire Knight and Gold Hero are bottom Borgs in my book.

Using the shield properly feels much more luck-dependent than actual skill, and Gold Hero is downright not good > super-long time needed for transformation, slow special (2x at most during transformation) and very limited transformation time.
I'd pick Metal Hero any day.


Slow Valkrie is only useful if you have a great partner at hand (Tama, Sho) to be the main attacker, thus limiting her usefulness.

The Proto Borgs aren't much to flash about, especially considering their cost. Early Battles they might be good, but hardly reliable later on.

G Black is good but a little overrated.
I feel much more confident with Neo and he costs less.

I honestly haven't using Beam Wing Red and Cyber Girl much enough to properly evaluate them, but I can't see they being overall ultra-useful Borg.

Sapphire Knight - Nevertheless, it is a shield, giving him a slight advantage. And the shield isn't the only reason why he's Top. His decent speed, lasers, and that giant beam that can go through everything puts him above most borgs.

Gold Hero - His invulnerability before transforming can almost be ignored (I said almost. Just throwing that out there for future reference.) In the beginning of the match, they start out so far apart that the other borg can only get a few hits in before he starts air dashing around. The only ones that can deal significant damage are dragons. That's approximately 10 out of 200 borgs, or 5%

Once transformed, Gold Hero has four jumps (five if you transform from the ground, although this is pretty rare). That height gives him a big advantage over other borgs. And it's not like he sucks at attacking. He has 10 quickly reloading lasers.

His X attack does suck badly, I'll give you that, but his constant rain of lasers makes up for it.

G Black - I think someone from Gamefaqs once put it this way: Neo G Red is more consistent with his match ups, getting 8s and 9s across the board, while G Black has some good and some bad, ranging from 6s to 10s. What this guy based it on, I'm not sure. I haven't used him enough to properly evaluate him, but he is similar to Neo G and thus deserves a spot relatively close.

Nov 15, 2009 22:45:50 GMT @juggernaut said:

Big dragons are my main borgs and i can easily say theyre the most overpowered units in the game.

If your borg is in melee distance, hes going to eat a b blast. Most borgs die in 1 or 2 of those. You cant dodge it, it basically spawns right ontop of you and is bigger than most borgs. It also hits behind you. unless you spawn under a big dragon, youll never get close to it. X breath recharges fast and hits everywhere. It also kills just about every borg in one hit.

On top of all this i can fly, attack while flying, have infinite flight using x breath boosting, have position dominance (can only be moved by a few special attacks), i dont flinch, but i gain the invincibility time of flinching.

2/3 cyber Ninjas or a flame dragon? HAH!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgY-AAetmqw

I don't use dragons very often so I'm not sure what you mean by the B blast hitting behind you and x breath boosting. Explain?

Also, just throwing this out there, but the visible Tier List currently only covers around 65/200 borgs. Being in low doesn't mean it is in the bottom 25% of all the characters, but the bottom 25% of the top 33% of the characters.

[yuurei]

The blast's turn the dragon faster then you manually turning. Also they sometime's go through the dragon itself.

If your jumping with a dragon with a X-lazor (Yes i spelled that wrong) the jump gauge won't go down but you will still ascend.

Shield's take awhile to get used to but once your good at blocking you start to own people. Tilt a shield too either 1 o clock (How am i supposed to do that?) or 11 o clock and 8 time's out of 10 you will block an explosive blast from a granade, ice dragon B, big exploding fireball from garuda or similar people, laser's, Gatling bullets, Dark Knight's (And Imperial Knight's) lightning, energy wave's, or those big shuriken's cyber ninja throws.

Only thing i can think of that can't be blocked is drill robot's drills. Oh and that electric dragon's B-Shot.

I have no problem killing cyber ninja's as long as they are alone. Now a good uhh future samurai (Can't remember his name right now) will kick my *** as long as i'm not using something big (I barley use Big dragons or fortresses).

[juggernaut]

yuureis got it.

Basically, between the games lock on and proper use of x breath, the attack is unavoidable unless you are on top or underneath a dragon, where the game wont lock on and the attack will default straight ahead.

If youre above, its only a matter of time for the dragon to ascend, or even quickly fly, spin and nail you with either attack. If youre below no movement is needed, b blast hits everything below.

If a borg is trying to melee a dragon, the b blast basically detonates inside of the dragons throat, engulfing it in its own blast and hitting this alleged blind spot cleanly. This doesnt happen if the borg is simply behind, but not in melee range, again the blast defaults straight ahead.

Ok, so say if by some miracle the enemy borg has managed to avoid getting x breathed, b blasted (it only takes 1 folks), and has got into a dragons sweet spot where the borg wont be immediately vaporized, then what? A dragon can turn fast enough at walking speed to face an enemy enough for a b blast. If flying (which this player controlled dragon should be doing) there is no way in the world that borg will stay in the blind spot. No borg can pew pew a flame dragon to death with its enormous health and titanic defense in the time it takes for it to turn.

Dragons are really tall, most borgs dont have enough jumps to get near its head, let alone above its head and be able to stay there. So that point earlier about the above blind spot is pretty much inaccessible in a normal match, further limiting anyones options while fighting a dragon.

For these reasons the flame, blizzard and plasma dragon should be considered broken, overpowered, imbalanced, unfair units to play as.

[yuurei]

I agree with everything except that last sentence.