Borg Tier List

[Dogmantra]

I see acceleration ninja as a sort of guerilla fighter. I dash around, occasionally running into someone, whilst holding B to charge up. Then, I run in, use my charge B, then run out. I barely ever get hit. Although I don't think he should be above Flame Ninja (1 tier down) at all, and Barrier Girl (same tier) beats him by miles.

[yuurei]

I think accel ninja is term's of offense is perhaps one of the worst borgs in the game. no melee, range attack sucks, charge B sucks, and how often can you run into someone without getting smacked upside the face?.

[The Regal RP Mod]

Accl. Ninja's success isnt when used by himself. he's kinda a support borg in a way. his objective is to distract the enemy and almost never get hit. And when possible flank the enemy and ram em from the side or back.

[juggernaut]

Well were getting everything from untouchable borg here, to useless gimmick.

If anyone has any videos of acceleration ninja stomping some tough borgs, even computer teams, id love to see them.

[The Regal RP Mod]

dude i've beaten the CDD battle using...mmmmm maybe 5 accel ninjas..... wasnt hard. just kept jumping and airdashing into him

[Admin]

^ Must've taken a really long time, and with a cost almost reaching two Sirius'.


Acceleration Ninja is a fun Borg. When I use him, I always play around on the field, surely annoying for the CPU.

As long as there's only small Borgs around, he can perform quite well.
Once air Borgs, big dragons and fortresses come into view, his skill can't be utilized as much, if anything.

[yuurei]

I disagree admin. I think that he does better against larger Borgs because of the fact that he can hit them without much trouble (Though fortresses are impossible to kill with him). Smaller Borgs can jump over him very very easily, in the air most smaller Borgs out speed him without much trouble.

He is nearly impossible to kill at range while running at full speed. However bring him close range, and he will be killed without a problem.

Edited for spelling.

[Admin]

We should duel it out, to see which strategy works best.
Too bad you live on the wrong side of planet.

This is why GF 2 needs to be made and with online!

[Deleted]

Dec 1, 2009 16:59:23 GMT Admin said:

We should duel it out, to see which strategy works best.
Too bad you live on the wrong side of planet.

This is why GF 2 needs to be made and with online!

I'm broken hearted, admin. You forgot the friend codes!

[Admin]

^ Friend codes are standard when I'm talking about online gaming from my point of view, so I don't need to mention them.

[yuurei]

Alright can we get a number rating from all of us who are interested in this?

I'm rate Accel ninja 4/10, if he had a decent long range attack to use then maybe this would be higher. But as he is i feel he really only wastes time. The exception is against nuke's and things that use nuke's.

[juggernaut]

its not a majority thing, whoever has the most experience and can provide proof of a borgs effectiveness would ultimately be the greatest force behind particular tier placement

i would rate him low as well, but then id be outright denying what dogmantra and njayhuang have said about his effectiveness. so far i cant confirm or deny what theyve said since i dont have enough experience with the borg.

do we have any more examples of what he can do? CDD isnt much of a threat when a cpu is using it. beating him sounds like an abuse of the ai more than anything.

[Dogmantra]

Well I used to love Acceleration ninja and he was first in my, 5th or 6th playthrough force for the most part, so I got reasonably good. He's just not quick enough at destroying things to be on the tier he is. I'd move him down one.

[njayhuang]

I'm actually in the process of writing out this long post about Accel. Ninja, but it's only about halfway done. Long post made short, Accel. Ninja belongs in Low even with his crazy speed.

[Admin]

In the early part of the game, like before the Dark Knight battle, Accel is really good.
Of course he can still be quite good on numerous battles afterwards as well, but he's no Borg you choose and can be expected to win the whole battle, every battle, with.

In my book, he's an overall good Borg. No master Borg, but he's also definitely not a lousy one.

[yuurei]

I like attaching number's too rating's as i feel it make's it more definite then just saying "Well this borg is really good" I mean who's really are we talking about? your really like "Saphire Knight is the best in game (Not really)" or my really? as in "Beam samurai is an unstoppable killing machine." So whenever i jump in on these discussion's after a certain amount of time/post's i'll think up a number and throw that in there.

Anyways i don't think he should be any higher then low. Just not powerful enough for me.

[Admin]

I find it difficult to put a number representing a Borg's overall usefulness when it really just matters what kind of enemies you're facing.

That's too big of a circumstantial factor in my eyes.

On one hand, the Borg can be excellent, taking out everything solely by himself, and on the other hand the same Borg can do little to nothing in the very next fight depending on the upcoming adversaries.

So for the first part, the Borg can be worth 9/10, and for the other, just 1/10.

How about 5/10 as a middle grade? <-- Does this really tell that the Borg in question is really good in some events and horrible at some others, or does it mean he's just an average Borg altogether?


Personally, I would give shield Borgs a really low score, but that's because I'm not good with them, and although the CPU often makes it feel like it's cheating big-time, they have showed that if you control them just right, not even the Ultimate Beam can hit them.


Now, if we're talking about a Borg that we have a lot of experience with, and we're so good with said Borg that we can cruise through the entire game with it with little to no problems constantly, then a number could easily be set.



Of course, this entire post is pointless if we're just talking about setting a score depending on our own, personal preferences.

Someone that hates fortresses will ultimately hate Sirius and say he sucks and give him 1/10, but if he was so worthless, why can I go through the whole game time and time again with him alone?

All I'm saying is, to give someone a number, or even make a high-middle-low tier list that's NOT based on personal preferences, you really need to play the game a lot, because you need to accumulate experience with all Borgs and then see how well they perform in various (as in as many different as possible) situations and grade them from there.

[yuurei]

Very nice post admin. Much better then mine anyway.

As a distraction, he's good, as a time filler, He's amazing, as a killer of borgs? Not so much. I think he's too weak to be put to use offensively, His flip crescents are inaccurate, His charge B rarely hit's with more then 3 crescents on average (For me atleast) while taking forever to charge. His dash is useful i admit but come on... How many time's do you hit with that?

Alright so let's see who he's up against in his tier... Going from the top down.

Planet Hero, The way to win is simple jump a few time's air dash away, land somewhere above Accel ninja, grow, jump and follow him while shooting him with Stars, when he flinch's or stops use the spinning hurricane of death. and repeat.

Proto atlas, Homing lasers, a good bullet type, and good defense and average mobility? do i need to finish this?

Beam gunman. He has lasers galore, and that big cannon that goes through wall's.
He can play a range game with Accel until Accel move's in. But as soon as that happens what can Accel do?! run into him?! as Gunboy has to do is jump and fire the Cannon. That fight would be a long one but Gunman can and should win 8 time's out of 10.

Barrier Girl. Shield and charge shot. Accel dead.

Cyber Girl Hyper. I haven't used her enough to give judgement.

Beam Wing Blue. Having used Beam Wing Red enough i can actually say something here. Blue can fly. He can use his X-dash and fire trick too chase Accel down or retreat. In a collision situation i think Accel would win but otherwise he aint got a chance.

Command girl doesn't have a melee, so her laser's will smack Accel in the face any time he come's near. But i think in this case Accel has an okay chance to win.

Teleport ninja. He can teleport through Accel every time he come's near him. The thing is Teleport is a close range borg and Accel is better at that then Tele. Accel should win.

I haven't used the rest of the tier enough to give judgement. Also an Accel ninja vs Accel ninja fight would be insane.

So in conclusion i think Accel Isn't worthy of high tier, He just can't hit them enough. Mid would be a better place for him i guess but i still think he should go in Low.

[njayhuang]

Not finished yet, but I'll post anyway.

Accel. Ninja VS. Low Tier

Titan Robot - Even? Tank form is slow, and the robot form has no good attacks. For either of them to attack, they have to give up dodging, so it would basically be a try to hit the other player when he tries to attack match. IIRC, Titan robot can melee instantly from tank form or something like that, so that would be an advantage for Titan Robot if AN tries to go up close, but if AN stays far away, it turns into a stall match.

Drill Robot - I have a feeling that Accel. Ninja could get up to Drill Robot and unleash an attack in his face. Drill Robot's drills are pretty slow iirc and his melee is the standard machine two hit and spin around thing, which has a pretty slow start up. The tunnel attack is a free hit for AN unless Drill Robot actually hits. I don't see Drill Robot being able to attack/counterattack or stay away from AN, so I give the advantage to AN.

Beam Tank - Beam Tank has a pretty good counterattack, with the X beam being fast, strong, and huge. If they trade hits every time AN attacks, I think Beam Tank would win. I really don't know if AN could get hit by the beam or if he would be able to start his X before it arrives. Undecided.

Chrono Samurai - Nothing plays different for Chrono Samurai except that there are a lot less shots he'll have to dodge. Time stop allows for an easy get away from the Charge B and/or a free hit. I think CS would have the advantage.

Wire Girl - Wire Girl has enough time to set up the wires around the stage by the time AN's done charging, but AN can avoid almost every shot. A match between these two would take 2 forevers, but I think it comes out even in the end.

Ghost Knight -

Elemental Knight -

Proto King -

Hammer Knight -

Proto Titan -

Proto Panther -

Powered Gunman -

Tao Master -

Time Bomber - TB could restrict AN's movement with good bomb placement, and then hit with an X shot, but that's not very likely. The bombs keep AN away so running into Time Bomber is almost obsolete.

Jet Hero, Death Wing, Blue Striker, Orange Fighter, Victory Duke - I think the flying borgs can dodge every attack AN throws, so I think they have the advantage.

So it's not finished, but I think the ones I didn't do would be even.

[Admin]

Dec 4, 2009 15:21:33 GMT yuurei said:

Barrier Girl. Shield and charge shot. Accel dead.

Personally, I would definitely reverse that statement. ;D
I guess we all play our Borgs in our own way.

As long as a Borg has both feet (or wheels) on the ground, I don't have much trouble defeating them with Accel, since I use the ram attack most frequently.


I hope you don't end up hating Accel too much.
As I mentioned somewhere, he's a fun Borg. If you ever decide to just having fun on the battle field, choose him and run around.
In Hyper Mode, you'll break the sound barrier.