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Post by thadudette on Jul 6, 2015 16:50:30 GMT
It seems a lot of us have played it, so I don't see why not. :3 Discuss Thaddie's latest obssession everyone's favorite finger-pointing, totally-super-accurate lawyer game  Personally I just love how completely over-the-top this game is, and how outrageous the characters are, yet how it can become so meaningful at the same time. That's how a lot of anime works I guess, but it's why I prefer AA to games like Trauma Center, which are good but just seem to take themselves too seriously IMHO  Yes Steve, your avatar made me quite happy It's quite ... edgey  *shot in the head* |
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Post by Ultima Atulos Maxim on Jul 6, 2015 17:15:46 GMT
OBJECTION!!! There was no gun for you to be shot in the head with! *cornered music starts playing*  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 17:42:34 GMT
Wait, Ace Attorney is meaningful? Am I missing something here? Uhh... maybe I need to get further in the series, but I haven't really seen much in the way of themes for the series other than 'believing in the best of people is good', 'don't give up, re-frame bad situations', and some interesting individual characters. I guess that's more than what some games manage, I suppose.
Sorry, my first reaction shouldn't be to post something like that.
I love Phoenix Wright. The vignettes are fun and unpredictable and they can be deceptively challenging, but after an extremely good case I tend to get burned out. I also like to play video games while listening to Youtube videos, which you can't really do with Ace Attorney since you're always reading text and must be 100% engaged at all times. It's generally not a series I play to relax, I play it for the slow burn building up to a fist pumping finale. You could use the series to teach a class on how to go about crafting an engagement curve.
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Post by thadudette on Jul 6, 2015 18:50:41 GMT
Wait, Ace Attorney is meaningful? Am I missing something here? Uhh... maybe I need to get further in the series, but I haven't really seen much in the way of themes for the series other than 'believing in the best of people is good', 'don't give up, re-frame bad situations', and some interesting individual characters. I guess that's more than what some games manage, I suppose. Truth is, I wasn't sure what word to use so I just used "meaningful" as a kind of umbrella word "Emotional" was another word I was considering but I'm not sure if that fits either  That's not to say AA doesn't have meaning to me, though. Even before playing I've been a "see the best in people" kind of person and I definitely believe in second chances, so seeing that play out in a "lawyer" narrative has been fun.  There's nothing quite like being completely believed in, and that's what AA pretty obviously explores the most. The other thing which obviously isn't exclusive to AA is that I had never really been aware beforehand how often innocent people in reality get convicted. (I've never watched court dramas, clearly :3 ) Seeing it in a fictional narrative, as loopy as it is, brings it closer to me as a real problem. I'm not saying it has the greatest overarching themes in the universe, but I enjoy it Mostly I'm in it for the dialogue and characters (I'm really not good at writing extremely distinctive characters, especially comedic ones, so I feel AA has been a good crash course on that ), who I know aren't perfectly written either but I get easily attached in story-driven games, so. And no worries, discussion can include both fangirling and criticism  I know what you mean about not playing it to relax though haha. How far are you now, anyways? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 19:53:48 GMT
Uhh I'm in the second game on the circus case. I haven't actually got to the first courtroom section though. Maybe I'm just not the biggest fan of circuses.
Also, no worries. I pretty much enjoy Ace Attorney as is, and it doesn't need to give me a new perspective on life and the universe to be a great series. I didn't consider the series' potential criticisms of the court systems, however. Obviously, any game where the judge will let you cross-examine a parrot is beyond unrealistic, but apparently the game was designed while keeping in mind that defense Attorneys lose a great number of cases in Japan, bringing to light some of the shadier aspects of the legal system that are pretty real concerns in reality. It's especially infuriating how the Prosecutes in the series (and even some defense Attorneys, like the victim in the Von Karma case) are trained to 'win at any cost' rather than find the truth in the situation. I'd love it if at some point in the series, Phoenix had to defend someone who was actually guilty.
Maybe that's why Edgeworth is so cool- he's ruthless and an impressive prosecutor, but he'll always help Phoenix out if Edgeworth ever becomes certain that he's trying to convict an innocent defendant.
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Post by Ultima Atulos Maxim on Jul 6, 2015 20:38:20 GMT
...I refuse to spoil anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:26:29 GMT
You should have just kept your mouth shut.
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Post by Ultima Atulos Maxim on Jul 6, 2015 21:39:39 GMT
Whoops. Don't worry tho, you'll never see it coming. |
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Post by thadudette on Jul 6, 2015 22:45:51 GMT
^Yeah ... that XD AHHHHH I LOVE THAT CASE SO MUCH AHHHHH PHOENIX AND HIS STUPID ADORABLE TULIPS STUPID ENGARDE HIS TRANSFORMATION LIKE MADE ME PEE MY PANTS THE MIRACLE NEVER HAPPEN  ...Farewell, My Turnabout is my favorite case if you can't tell, not quite just because of the reasons listed above... :3 Wow that's interesting though, I didn't know that about defense attorneys losing a lot of cases in Japan. I heard (not from a professional source, though) that the Japanese court system is more geared toward "guilty until proven innocent" rather than "innocent until proven guilty" in America, which is why prosecutors seem to get away with everything in the series. And yeah I think it definitely plays on the stereotypes of lawyers doing anything to win a case, with the "seek truth, not pride" motif being something that has to be consciously learned rather than instinctively picked up. Edgeworth wears a pink suit. How can he not be cool? :3 |
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Post by Stove on Jul 7, 2015 1:20:10 GMT
It seems a lot of us have played it, so I don't see why not. :3 Discuss Steve's latest obssession everyone's favorite finger-pointing, totally-super-accurate lawyer game Personally I just love how completely over-the-top this game is, and how outrageous the characters are, yet how it can become so meaningful at the same time. That's how a lot of anime works I guess, but it's why I prefer AA to games like Trauma Center, which are good but just seem to take themselves too seriously IMHO Yes Steve, your avatar made me quite happy It's quite ... edgey *shot in the head* Fixed that for you. But yeah, I got the 3DS version with the first 3 games a couple days back and it's fantastic. I finished the 4th chapter of the first game and I started on the 5th chapter. Also, I'd like to argue that the games are meaningful. Sure, they aren't completely so as evident by the names (Wendy Oldbag? Really?), but I can really appreciate the emotion and realism in many of the main character's action and dialogue. (2nd and 4th chapters in particular come to mind.) There are some very, very extreme characters, but at the same time there's very relatable, real characters. I like the balance the series (or rather, the first game) has of both. EDIT: Also, the music is top-top-top-notch. Here's a few I'm really fond of.
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Post by thadudette on Jul 7, 2015 1:52:42 GMT
Sure, they aren't completely so as evident by the names (Wendy Oldbag? Really?), but I can really appreciate the emotion and realism in many of the main character's action and dialogue. (2nd and 4th chapters in particular come to mind.) There are some very, very extreme characters, but at the same time there's very relatable, real characters. I like the balance the series (or rather, the first game) has of both.  "What're you saying about my name, you young whippersnapper? *rata-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat* Honestly, kids these days!" But, there's the words I was looking for That's why Franziska's my favorite character in particular; I feel like she has the best of both worlds even if it's not readily obvious. I guess you haven't met her yet, though. It's not like I wrote a 3,000 word essay in my blog about her character development or anything, what kind of no-life would do that? If that's what you like about the series, I doubt you'll be disappointed with the rest of it c: For some reason I feel like you've played Dual Destinies though, Steve? |
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Post by Stove on Jul 7, 2015 2:09:52 GMT
For some reason I feel like you've played Dual Destinies though, Steve? No, just the original. Also, you forgot to include her blindingly fast walls of text. |
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Post by thadudette on Jul 7, 2015 3:39:01 GMT
Forgottoinclude?Ididn'tforgettoincludeyouwhippersnapperIjustcouldn'tdoanythingaboutthespeedoftextareyouforgettingwe'reinaforumorwhat?Kidsthesedays,notrespectingtheireldersandassumingIjustforgot!JustbecauseI'malittleolderthanyoudoesn'tmeanyoucanassumeIhaveAlzheimer's,I'llhaveyouknowthatmymemoryusedtobetheenvyofallmyclassmates,IcouldrememberanydateandalltheboyswouldcomeaskingmeforhelponhistorytestsohthosewerethedayswhentheycalledmeQueenWendyandIwasthehearttotheirthrob,ohwhowillbeaknightinshiningarmorforthispoorfragilelady'sheart,I'mjustalostyoungmaidensearchingforherwayintheworldandnowI'vecrashlandedhereonthisawfulsecurityjobwherepeoplearegettingmurderedbutatleastImetEdgeypoo,hedoesn'tunderstandyetbutinmyheartIalwaysbelievethere'sawayforus,ohyesI'manidealistyesIknowbutthat'showallthedreamersgetstartedintheworldisn'tit? *huff* ... *huff* ... No special fondness for the Turnabout Sisters theme, Steve? Oh man, the AA OST is great study music. You should check out the orchestra versions on YouTube  |
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Post by Stove on Jul 7, 2015 3:44:03 GMT
I like it - I like all of the music in the game - but it just isn't as great as those in my opinion.
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Post by Stove on Jul 8, 2015 5:28:00 GMT
I'm on chapter 2 of justice for all now.
...Pretty sure it's illegal to sling a whip at people in a courtroom.
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Post by Ultima Atulos Maxim on Jul 8, 2015 18:45:35 GMT
Possibly.
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Post by thadudette on Jul 8, 2015 20:58:06 GMT
 Anyway I have no idea what's happening in this video but I'm still listening to it on repeat :3 Best defense evar |
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Post by Stove on Jul 9, 2015 12:57:28 GMT
I finished the 2nd chapter. I'm excited for chapter 4 because I assume that's when we'll find out about Edgeworth and the thing...you know.
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Post by thadudette on Jul 24, 2015 4:53:36 GMT
So, if Phoenix Wright : Ace Street Fighter was a thing (which would be hilarious IMO), who would you main? As much as I love Franziska, the whip almost makes her less interesting as a fighter I'm torn because Trucy can throw freaking knives and magic panties, and Maya probably could have a Wallet Drain ability and could throw burgers/ramen. Godot's coffee throw and Apollo's Chords of Steel / hair poke would be really fun too though. The possibilities are endless ;3 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 12:54:03 GMT
Isn't Phoenix being in UMvC enough?
Anyway Athena because Athena. Also she'd probably get to kill you with emoticons.
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*shot in the head*
There's nothing quite like being completely believed in, and that's what AA pretty obviously explores the most.
I know what you mean about not playing it to relax though haha. How far are you now, anyways? 
