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Post by appleyui on Nov 16, 2016 23:39:38 GMT
Has anybody played the Layton's crossover? I've been thinking about buying it or the remaster trilogy, but I can't decide yet xD I played it and loved it!  The story is just a little less well-polished than the other Ace Attorney games, but I was still pretty hooked, and the art and gameplay are still super fun  Funny, I actually bought it as part of a deal I made with another GFF member, in which I would buy the Layton crossover and he would buy the remaster trilogy I'm not so confident about buying the trilogy because I already played on the Nintendo DS. (cof cof Trials and Tribulatios is so overated cof cof). Besides, Layton's style to tell a story is quite diferent from the AA games. AA = Moral/Ethic; Layton = Sentimentalist. As a AA fan, how do you consider Phoenix's participation? |
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Post by Stove on Nov 17, 2016 0:32:06 GMT
What's overrated about Trials and Tribulations?
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Post by appleyui on Nov 17, 2016 1:02:06 GMT
What's overrated about Trials and Tribulations? Most of the people agree that Trials and Tribulations was the cusp reached by the trilogy, and they have some points. For example, Godot was a fresh character for the prosecutor role. Besides, knowing more about Mia was the main topic and its development was, in my opinion, well done. The music has some decent tracks; "The Fragrance of Dark-Colored Coffee" is a popular theme even today. The problem I have with Trials And Tribulations is the overated opinion over Godot and the final case. Yes, Godot may be one of the most, or even the best, skilled rival Phoenix's had. But, I can feel no empathy about him. Really. This corrupted all of the game for me. Furthermore, I think this game is too easy. Once you discover who the real murderer is, the rest comes by itself (no need to meditate or something). I don't know. Maybe I'm just exaggerating. |
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Post by Stove on Nov 17, 2016 1:21:34 GMT
What's overrated about Trials and Tribulations? Most of the people agree that Trials and Tribulations was the cusp reached by the trilogy, and they have some points. For example, Godot was a fresh character for the prosecutor role. Besides, knowing more about Mia was the main topic and its development was, in my opinion, well done. The music has some decent tracks; "The Fragrance of Dark-Colored Coffee" is a popular theme even today. The problem I have with Trials And Tribulations is the overated opinion over Godot and the final case. Yes, Godot may be one of the most, or even the best, skilled rival Phoenix's had. But, I can feel no empathy about him. Really. This corrupted all of the game for me. Furthermore, I think this game is too easy. Once you discover who the real murderer is, the rest comes by itself (no need to meditate or something). I don't know. Maybe I'm just exaggerating. The only thing you had to say that wasn't praise was about how other people view the final case, and the game being easy in and of itself. I'd say that the "it's easier" thing is because you already have two games under your belt by the time you play T&T. Your opinion is laser focused on one issue and I don't agree with it, but hey, it's your opinion. If you don't like it, that's fine by me. |
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Post by appleyui on Nov 17, 2016 1:42:06 GMT
Most of the people agree that Trials and Tribulations was the cusp reached by the trilogy, and they have some points. For example, Godot was a fresh character for the prosecutor role. Besides, knowing more about Mia was the main topic and its development was, in my opinion, well done. The music has some decent tracks; "The Fragrance of Dark-Colored Coffee" is a popular theme even today. The problem I have with Trials And Tribulations is the overated opinion over Godot and the final case. Yes, Godot may be one of the most, or even the best, skilled rival Phoenix's had. But, I can feel no empathy about him. Really. This corrupted all of the game for me. Furthermore, I think this game is too easy. Once you discover who the real murderer is, the rest comes by itself (no need to meditate or something). I don't know. Maybe I'm just exaggerating. The only thing you had to say that wasn't praise was about how other people view the final case, and the game being easy in and of itself. I'd say that the "it's easier" thing is because you already have two games under your belt by the time you play T&T. Your opinion is laser focused on one issue and I don't agree with it, but hey, it's your opinion. If you don't like it, that's fine by me. I tend to criticize every aspect. And do not worry; I know my opinion differs from others  About the "it's easier" thing: I do not think so. Dual Destinies and Spirit Of Justice were harder games, developed with some better and more complicated cases. Even by comparing Justice For All and the first game, the difficulty between them is obvious. Apollo Justice had the same characteristic; it added a new way to expand the storytelling (by connecting Apollo's and Phoenix's game). But, Trials And Tribulations do not add something unexampled. I have played the series in this order: 1. Ace Attorney: Phoenix Wright (Until the third case). 2. Ace Attorney: Phoenix Wright (The same as 1. but in another language). 3. Ace Attorney: Phoenix Wright. 4. Ace Attorney: Apollo Justice. 5. Ace Attorney: Justice For All. 6. Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies. 7. Ace Attorney: Spirit Of Justice. 8. Ace Attorney: Trials And Tribulations. I consider T&T even easier than the first one ;( |
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Post by thadudette on Nov 17, 2016 5:09:20 GMT
I'm not so confident about buying the trilogy because I already played on the Nintendo DS. (cof cof Trials and Tribulatios is so overated cof cof). Besides, Layton's style to tell a story is quite diferent from the AA games. AA = Moral/Ethic; Layton = Sentimentalist. As a AA fan, how do you consider Phoenix's participation? I think some people complained there wasn't enough Phoenix but I didn't get that sense. It's set up kind of like an AA game, with four cases and the non-courtroom scenes are kind of the puzzles, investigation, and story all rolled up into one. The only part where I was wondering "where's Phoenix?" is the very beginning before they've crossed paths ... but I don't really count that XD I actually thought Dual Destinies was a little too easy :3 I definitely had to get help several times during T&T, but I think that can be chalked up to inexperience. DD and SoJ were much easier for me after learning to think Ace-Attorney style (though don't get me wrong, I definitely got stuck a few times in Spirit of Justice XD) |
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Post by appleyui on Nov 17, 2016 14:45:13 GMT
I'm not so confident about buying the trilogy because I already played on the Nintendo DS. (cof cof Trials and Tribulatios is so overated cof cof). Besides, Layton's style to tell a story is quite diferent from the AA games. AA = Moral/Ethic; Layton = Sentimentalist. As a AA fan, how do you consider Phoenix's participation? I think some people complained there wasn't enough Phoenix but I didn't get that sense. It's set up kind of like an AA game, with four cases and the non-courtroom scenes are kind of the puzzles, investigation, and story all rolled up into one. The only part where I was wondering "where's Phoenix?" is the very beginning before they've crossed paths ... but I don't really count that XD I actually thought Dual Destinies was a little too easy :3 I definitely had to get help several times during T&T, but I think that can be chalked up to inexperience. DD and SoJ were much easier for me after learning to think Ace-Attorney style (though don't get me wrong, I definitely got stuck a few times in Spirit of Justice XD) I see. DD never was released in Europe, so I got the American version (English). And, I was stuck in the first case with an obvious contradiction. I remember that I thought: "Flat? Oh, I do not know what that word means, but surely it is not important". Oh God, by ignoring a lot of terms the game became harder xDDD But, I agree that the ultimate revelation (the 5th case) is still the best. All of us were tricked during the whole game xD By the way, I have a question. After T&T, what happened to Gumshoe? Do I need to play the Edgeworth's spin-offs to know? |
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Post by Stove on Nov 17, 2016 16:49:21 GMT
Well now I'm even more convinced it's just because you played it later if it's the sixth game you played.
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Post by thadudette on Nov 17, 2016 17:30:28 GMT
I see. DD never was released in Europe, so I got the American version (English). And, I was stuck in the first case with an obvious contradiction. I remember that I thought: "Flat? Oh, I do not know what that word means, but surely it is not important". Oh God, by ignoring a lot of terms the game became harder xDDD But, I agree that the ultimate revelation (the 5th case) is still the best. All of us were tricked during the whole game xD By the way, I have a question. After T&T, what happened to Gumshoe? Do I need to play the Edgeworth's spin-offs to know? Nah, he plays roughly the same role in the Edgeworth spin-offs. I do recommend those though He kinda just disappears, but if you present Edgeworth any evidence in SoJ during that one part where he and Phoenix work together, he makes a reference to Gumshoe that suggests he's still working as a detective ;3 |
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Post by appleyui on Nov 17, 2016 18:05:54 GMT
Well now I'm even more convinced it's just because you played it later if it's the sixth game you played. I had a bad time for the final proof in Justice For All. I never experienced that in T&T. In fact, JFA is the only game I needed some help, even though I consider other sequels harder. I can guarantee T&T is easy. I see. DD never was released in Europe, so I got the American version (English). And, I was stuck in the first case with an obvious contradiction. I remember that I thought: "Flat? Oh, I do not know what that word means, but surely it is not important". Oh God, by ignoring a lot of terms the game became harder xDDD But, I agree that the ultimate revelation (the 5th case) is still the best. All of us were tricked during the whole game xD By the way, I have a question. After T&T, what happened to Gumshoe? Do I need to play the Edgeworth's spin-offs to know? Nah, he plays roughly the same role in the Edgeworth spin-offs. I do recommend those though He kinda just disappears, but if you present Edgeworth any evidence in SoJ during that one part where he and Phoenix work together, he makes a reference to Gumshoe that suggests he's still working as a detective ;3 Aren't those spin-off just Japanese releases? Oh, I just remembered how much I want to play the presequel to every game of the franchise xD |
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Post by thadudette on Dec 19, 2016 3:38:55 GMT
Aren't those spin-off just Japanese releases? The first one was localized, the second one wasn't. But you can get the second one as a fan translation on an emulator So Capcom did some awesome art for 15th Anniversary apparently. And I was trying to figure out what Gumshoe and Larry were holding AND THEN I REALIZED THEY'RE ON A STEPLADDER I LOVE EVERYTHING  |
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Post by appleyui on Dec 19, 2016 4:51:13 GMT
Aren't those spin-off just Japanese releases? The first one was localized, the second one wasn't. But you can get the second one as a fan translation on an emulator So Capcom did some awesome art for 15th Anniversary apparently. And I was trying to figure out what Gumshoe and Larry were holding AND THEN I REALIZED THEY'RE ON A STEPLADDER I LOVE EVERYTHING ... Godot... Ewww. |
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Post by njayhuang on Sept 21, 2017 21:03:09 GMT
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Post by thadudette on Jan 23, 2018 18:00:41 GMT
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Post by Metal on Jan 23, 2018 18:52:32 GMT
Objection!
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Post by Phiotan on Jan 26, 2018 21:41:12 GMT
That Franziska is a fraud. She didn't call you a fool. |
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Post by kolpool on Jan 27, 2018 0:52:39 GMT
I'm still trying to figure out how to work that fan translation for The Great Ace Attorney, I couldn't wait and bought the JP game anyway. Now I just need an understanding of Japanese legal terms so I can play somewhat competently without using my phone for every line |
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Post by thadudette on Jan 27, 2018 6:20:19 GMT
I'm still trying to figure out how to work that fan translation for The Great Ace Attorney, I couldn't wait and bought the JP game anyway. Now I just need an understanding of Japanese legal terms so I can play somewhat competently without using my phone for every line I'm pretty jelly of all the people with the fan translation. It makes me feel behind in my Ace Attorney knowledge, but I don't wanna cave and watch it on YouTube or I'll be spoilerified D; I just hope the Ask blog doesn't catch up anytime soon, or I'll actually have to start looking out for spoilers :c |
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Post by kolpool on Jan 27, 2018 12:58:09 GMT
The main problem with the fantranslation is that they want you to buy the actual game THEN MOD THE 3DS with the patch (I will do one or the other but not both). They insist they will not make it for a virtual machine. Like I get the idea, you want to not steal sales away from the main game, I can respect that, but I don't want to crack my game or hardware open just for one translation. Ya know?
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Post by Phiotan on Jan 27, 2018 19:05:56 GMT
AHAHAHAHA!I've been perusing the blog that Thaddie linked to. It's hilarious and I'm glad it exists.
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The story is just a little less well-polished than the other Ace Attorney games, but I was still pretty hooked, and the art and gameplay are still super fun 
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