Monster hunter

[Stove]

Feb 5, 2015 23:58:56 GMT @alberenza said:

Feb 5, 2015 23:51:00 GMT Stove said:

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I had to sell my 2DS to get enough money to buy the New 3DS. That seems like a pretty obvious reason.
Money doesn't fall off trees, and I didn't need the 2DS.
As for why I sold it sooner...Gamestop had a special offer if you sell it towards the pre-order of a New 3DS XL. I got back pretty much every penny I paid for it, and I wouldn't have been able to get that offer if I sold it when I went to buy the New 3DS XL.

I still don't get it. What is a 2DS anyway?

Sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.

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Feb 6, 2015 0:01:23 GMT Stove said:

Feb 5, 2015 23:58:56 GMT @alberenza said:

I still don't get it. What is a 2DS anyway?

Sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.

I think that's more just me being silly and purposefully stupid to distract from the fact that I forgot reading obvious statements multiple times before asking my first question, I'm not sure if what I was just doing counts as sarcasm or just being a general nuisance.

[Stove]

Feb 6, 2015 0:06:40 GMT @alberenza said:

Feb 6, 2015 0:01:23 GMT Stove said:

Sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.

I think that's more just me being silly and purposefully stupid to distract from the fact that I forgot reading obvious statements multiple times before asking my first question, I'm not sure if what I was just doing counts as sarcasm or just being a general nuisance.

Meh, I get it.

[Stove]

Why do I have the feeling this thread's going to explode soon...?

[Indigo]

Dunno, I'd thought there would already be more discussion here with the special demo codes weeks ago, and especially now that the demo's public with online play. The others who posted here are out of commission or super-lurky, so I dunno.

The demo's great. The online Gore Magala is super challenging. The demo gives you a maxed out health bar and very good armor, and that thing still can nearly OHKO you... And it has enough HP that I've timed out (25 minutes) on it 3 times with a partner. Definitely a good way to get some practice with the weapons and get back into the flow of the game.

I think the most exciting thing is just... The demo itself. The game's so beautiful and much more seamless now with the addition of climbing and smooth jumping and jump attacks, and the graphics are so nice for 3DS. I thought I'd been getting emo since lately games haven't been so much hype for me, not even Smash. I booted up the MH4U demo and was a little apathetic... But by the end of the first Great Jaggi hunt I was nearly in tears. Monster Hunter strikes right in the feels once more.

Time to share some of the music to garner appropriate hype.

The new main theme... I just love that symphonic part at the start. It's a surprisingly energetic theme for Monster Hunter, which is fitting with how much more athletic and fast the gameplay is now.


And a more subtle theme. It's a common sort of theme in Monster Hunter, where they turn the main theme into a very mellow tune with the calm rhythmic drums (usually used while connecting online), I'm glad they kept that tradition with this one.


And finally, the adventure begins! Or ended, technically. Oh well.


Had to get that off my chest. Some day soon I may have to revive Most Claxmotional OST with a record of the adventures this time around. It soon begins, the next season of Monster Hunter Indigo. Will it be the stunning conclusion to the bittersweet tale?

Oh, back when Tri came out, I had a dentist appointment that day. Can't help but think that I have one now three days prior to the next Monster Hunter iteration...

[Stove]

I'm overjoyed to hear that. Can't wait to team up with you in a week.

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Steve, stop duplicating videos.

So you're telling me that this Monster Hunter doesn't have you collecting plants and fighting herbivores, rarely giving you a glimpse or something more exciting, for the first 50 hours of gameplay? You lie. That can't be true. It's not possible, this is MONSTER HUNTER DAMMIT!

[Stove]

Feb 7, 2015 11:44:37 GMT @alberenza said:

Steve, stop duplicating videos.

So you're telling me that this Monster Hunter doesn't have you collecting plants and fighting herbivores, rarely giving you a glimpse or something more exciting, for the first 50 hours of gameplay? You lie. That can't be true. It's not possible, this is MONSTER HUNTER DAMMIT!

It's a demo anyway, it's not the first hours of gameplay.
Also, I'm not fixing that pet peeve of yours every time since it's not implied in the rules and has never been enforced like it was.
If it bothers you that much, I give you permission to fix it yourself without question.

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You don't need to 'fix it' just make sure you don't quote posts containing videos, though obviously I would prefer it if you did rectify your mistakes wherever possible. It annoys me not only because it looks messy, but because sometimes it makes the page difficult to load, and I don't know how many other users or guests have the same problem.

EDIT: Didn't notice that you had actually fixed the post. Thank You.

I played the demo which was kind of fun. Well, I still need to beat the last monster. I enjoyed it, but I'll pass. The price tag is steep for a game with camera control this bad. I can see why the game was released on the same day as the New 3DS in Japan, as a second stick pretty much seems to be required. I don't own the circle pad pro, either. I might buy the next Monster Hunter that gets put on Wii U, though.

EDIT: The Magala is a pain, I found it more frustrating than satisfying to fight. It's not so much the attacks as it is that it can dash at you from full screen and fly all around the place. Your character moves far too slowly, so I can't catch up to it for attacks when it pauses, and I can barely tell where I'm going or where it is because the camera is even more of a hindrance in this fight since it's constantly flying all around the place, and then it will end up on top of you while you're backed up against the wall and the camera goes nuts. The only way to get anywhere in this fight is to use a weapon which can block, because there's no way you're evading, and long range weapons are so useless that they may as well have not bothered including them. No thanks game, I wont go to the e-shop, I'd rather just turn you off.

Since Xenoblade Chronicle X just had online multi-player quests announced recently, I'll wait until then to play a game like this with you guys.

[Stove]

Feb 7, 2015 13:09:04 GMT @alberenza said:

You don't need to 'fix it' just make sure you don't quote posts containing videos, though obviously I would prefer it if you did rectify your mistakes wherever possible. It annoys me not only because it looks messy, but because sometimes it makes the page difficult to load, and I don't know how many other users or guests have the same problem.

EDIT: Didn't notice that you had actually fixed the post. Thank You.

I played the demo which was kind of fun. Well, I still need to beat the last monster. I enjoyed it, but I'll pass. The price tag is steep for a game with camera control this bad. I can see why the game was released on the same day as the New 3DS in Japan, as a second stick pretty much seems to be required. I don't own the circle pad pro, either. I might buy the next Monster Hunter that gets put on Wii U, though.

EDIT: The Magala is a pain, I found it more frustrating than satisfying to fight. It's not so much the attacks as it is that it can dash at you from full screen and fly all around the place. Your character moves far too slowly, so I can't catch up to it for attacks when it pauses, and I can barely tell where I'm going or where it is because the camera is even more of a hindrance in this fight since it's constantly flying all around the place, and then it will end up on top of you while you're backed up against the wall and the camera goes nuts. The only way to get anywhere in this fight is to use a weapon which can block, because there's no way you're evading, and long range weapons are so useless that they may as well have not bothered including them. No thanks game, I wont go to the e-shop, I'd rather just turn you off.

Since Xenoblade Chronicle X just had online multi-player quests announced recently, I'll wait until then to play a game like this with you guys.

Monster Hunter has a huge learning curve.

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Not... really, it certainly has a huge barrier to entry, if the boring early game of MH3 is any indication, but I did fine against the Jaggi and the other monster in the demo on the standard difficulty, using weapon types I'd never used before in a Monster Hunter game. If by learning curve, you mean 'learning how to control the camera without a second stick' then I would agree.

[Stove]

Feb 7, 2015 19:48:36 GMT @alberenza said:

Not... really, it certainly has a huge barrier to entry, if the boring early game of MH3 is any indication, but I did fine against the Jaggi and the other monster in the demo on the standard difficulty, using weapon types I'd never used before in a Monster Hunter game. If by learning curve, you mean 'learning how to control the camera without a second stick' then I would agree.

No, I mean the game has a big learning curve. The entire concept of the game's combat is learning how the monster attacks, and how to avoid it.
I have heard people have had trouble with Gore Magala, but it's not like he's unbeatable.

Also I find it funny that you'll spend hours upon hours fighting and grinding for Metaron, but you just...give up here.

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Did you mean Lucifer? Meta(t)ron wasn't difficult. It didn't take that long to grind for him. Did you mean Demi-Fiend? Hell yeah, that guy was difficult... even though I grinded for Satan, that guy will kill you if you make one tiniest mistake while keeping up with his complex pattern. Difference here is that I enjoyed all of those games.

Yes, I was also talking about the learning curve. I don't think the game has a particuarly complex learning curve, I think the only 'curve' is having the patience for the game. So of course the Magala is beatable, when did I ever say that he was impossible? I've only been complaining about the shoddy camera here.

I wasn't having all that much fun to begin with, so I'm not sure what's supposed to motivate me to beat Magala other than to rub it in your face at this point. I'd gotten close at some points, and I certainly learned its attack patterns and such. It's not really difficult, just avoid the mist and dodge or block whenever it does literally anything else. I mean, the difficulty is hardly Dark Souls here, a game where you had to pay attention to even the regular enemies and the environment or else you'd be killed. And it actually had atmosphere and strong gameplay and environmental based storytelling. And also *Ahem* Souls didn't have a horrendous camera. Actually, why doesn't MH have a lock on feature? MH really does just seem like an inferior Souls game to me, now that I think about it. I really can't think of anything MH does that Souls doesn't do and then some. MH may just have more boss monsters perhaps? Maybe the crafting is a tad more extensive? I don't really know.

I only ever died because I started getting stuck between it and the wall and I couldn't see what I was doing, or I was doing fine against it but I ran out of potions and the AI allies wouldn't heal me, or I was using a horrible weapon type that I couldn't play with. I did best with the shell lance.

[Stove]

Lol this turned into Al saying MH is an inferior Darksouls.
It just doesn't work for you because you don't have a circle pad pro. That's fine. The game was made with the New 3DS in mind, clearly. It's like Uprising if you're a lefty (Which I am. ). Playable without a second circle pad, but made with one in mind.

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Feb 7, 2015 21:31:05 GMT Stove said:

Lol this turned into Al saying MH is an inferior Darksouls.
It just doesn't work for you because you don't have a circle pad pro. That's fine. The game was made with the New 3DS in mind, clearly. It's like Uprising if you're a lefty (Which I am. ). Playable without a second circle pad, but made with one in mind.

Yeah it's kind of a shame really. I probably would have had a better time otherwise, and I probably wouldn't have minded if there was a Wii U option as well. The game looks really good, so it would be be nice to see it on a bigger screen in HD.

The Multi-Player options are also greatly expanded in MH and really seem to serve the game well from what I've seen. Dark Souls may have PvP, but you can't get nearly as many players fighting one big enemy in one epic, long battle. I still think Dark Souls is a similar but better game, though.

[Indigo]

The touchscreen is a thing, you know. The virtual D-pad on it works fine to move the camera when you're moving around. And if you're gunning or otherwise busy with attack controls, you can just use the D-pad on the other side to move the camera. Also, the monster icon at the bottom left? Tap it. Then tap L. There's your lock on. You have to keep focusing the camera with L, but it's just taps that become second nature. The game has three different buttons to control the camera without the CPP or the new 3DS. Be grateful you never had to do this which Monster Hunters have endured for years.

And Al pls... Running out of potions in a demo where you get fully packed with first-aids, potions, mega potions, lifepowders, and dust of life, and have cats that heal... That means you're not good at the game. You don't even get a lot of those in the real thing after Low Rank. I don't blame you, it's a very technical series to get into, and Gore Magala is no cakewalk. It's easily one of the hardest monsters in the entire series, even I can barely beat it. And I'm pretty sure the thing's G Rank in the demo, which is very endgame. The camera is mainly a problem when you get cornered, but... Don't get cornered. But come on, just because you can't win, don't go calling artificial difficulty in a game of pure skill and knowledge. And much less compare it to that game where you fall into random pitfalls and boulders and get punished, special 'regular' enemies will OHKO you, and can use heals and items in a split second and can roll spam safely.

I beat Magala with non-blocking weapons so your argument is invalid. And long range weapons can also beat it. They're actually harder to use than melee, as they require much more spacing, positioning, aiming, and management, and have less defense. But are just as potent, with the added ability of inflicting status, support, and breaking some parts easier. Even the simplified (attack-oriented) bow needs a lot of positioning.

This game's no Moon Smasher, boy, no Moon Smasher. Seriously, don't let it put you down, Magala in the demo is crazy strong and faster than the fastest in the previous games, and yet it's totally doable without getting hit with any weapon if you learn to fight it.

MH4 will probably start slow like they all do... And your experience with this demo is exactly why. Though also because gathering materials is very important for everything, but that dwindles as you go on as you get a farm to get things to make items easier, and armor/weapons start mainly requiring monster parts, but you'll still need the knowledge of how to combine items.

[Stove]

Thanks Clax. I didn't know how good those were so I didn't mention them.

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I'm under the impression that you haven't actually played a Souls Game. They're extremely fair games. You basically just implied that the game was near impossible and easy with abuse-able tactics at the same time.

Anyway, thanks for the information, but you don't need me to call me a scrub who can only win unless there is are easy noob strategies and attacks. The basic game-play was really easy to get into, and battles felt more long and tiring than difficult. I suppose the idea is that a battle with a Monster is supposed to be more of a war of attrition? Anyway, just for that I'm going to re-download the demo and beat that guy up tomorrow. Monster Hunter too high a learning curve my but, it just makes you wait forever no matter what you're doing, grumble grumble. And after I'd just complimented the game in my last post, gao gao.

I didn't mean for my posts to come across as a personal attack by the way, I was just saying that I had a negative time with the demo and Monster Hunter 3, not the fans.

[Indigo]

I never called you a scrub, or that Dark Souls is an easy series. But for sure it has more underhanded tricks of difficulty (come on, random insta-kill traps, extremely fair? The game is so 'hard' that you have to die to learn. Bosses are more fair, but still need just as much learning as MH) than anything Monster Hunter has, where everything is telegraphed and there's no random gimmicks. You can heal on a whim whereas you need 5 seconds on Monster Hunter to heal or use items, and rolling is a lot less punishable. MH also has plenty of atmosphere, but it's more optional. Take some time to walk around the two maps in the demo and take everything in.

I mean, you just started bashing Monster Hunter and saying Dark Souls is better in every way (they're not even relateable honestly), because you couldn't beat Magala, saying you need to use certain weapons and how unfair it is. It's not like that at all. You're right, that it needs patience. That's all there is to it. You don't focus on attacking when you first fight a monster, you should be running around just poking at it, learning its moves and how you can position to attack safely. If you don't have a blocking weapon, you can usually stay near its feet, and keep rolling around its sides or past it. Even with blocking weapons, you still want to get that flow of dancing around it like that, unless you're using the lances. In the full game, you get 50 minutes in quests, so you can take your time to learn more. Once you learn a monster, they can usually go down in 10~ minutes, more or less.

Throwing you into a G Rank Gore Magala in a brand new game, with only 25 minutes, well... Yeah, that's not exactly fair, Magala rage mode is insane, but that's the demo. In the actual game you'll be progressing up to it and fighting it at lower ranks where it won't OHKO your maxed out lifebar, and it will have a lot less health, and you'll get the flow of things much more naturally than struggling to fight something brand new at endgame level. You'll also be much more acquainted with the weapons, controls, and have your own armor skills to your playstyle. Overall the game needs a lot of patience, many battles take a long time, but it shouldn't feel like a chore (unless you're really grinding) or unfair, this demo's last quest was geared towards veteran players, to have something to try and master. Because I'm finding demo Magala harder than Tri's final boss.

It may not be your type of game... But I dunno. It wasn't my type of game. I nearly dropped the game very early, back in the PS2 days of the original. I got urged on to play and just jump in online, and suddenly... That hunt hooked me forever. I think if you get the full game and play online, it's so much more of a fun experience, and it's a ton of fun to function as a team against stuff. It's just kind of about bettering yourself, because equipment means much less than skill (hence people even play with no armor for a challenge, and weapons will mainly just cut down the hunt time a little). And the game can be frustrating, but when you finally pull something off with some friends, it's so satisfying. I've never been fond of the single player, I got MH3U and barely beat it before stopping (no online ;_;), when Tri had hundreds of hours for me.

Well, it's your call. It'd be great if you got into it so we could go hunting all the time, but if you don't like it, you don't like it, it's a very different kind of game. If you remotely like the gameplay I think you'd really have fun playing online, it's a heck of an adventure... But I'm glad you're giving the demo another chance. It's not the best balance though, you're hilariously over-geared for the first two quests, then the last one is crazy hard. Trying to beat Magala might not be the best way to get into it... If you like the first two quests, the game is a lot more like that until the very end.

We could try to go beat Magala online in the demo some time soon, too. If the two of us beat it now duo, I think you'd truly understand the satisfaction of a Monster Hunter...

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Ok, you handled that really well... I wont argue on Soul's behalf, but I will say that Demon's Souls is really cheep nowadays. You may want to pick it up when you have a spare moment/cash, because a lot of what you were saying about "equipment is less important about skill" sounds applicable to that game. I think you'd like it a lot more than you'd think.

I wont be buying this game regardless of my second experience with the demo, though. I don't really have the money for it if I want to buy everything I want this year, assuming I don't get a job, which I really should.

EDIT: After a couple of attempts I got it to fall asleep in its nest with the sword and shield, unfortunately, it timed out before I could finish it off.

EDIT: Done. The camera is usable with the lock on feature, and that made everything much more enjoyable. Learning how to do jump attacks properly also helped. Did it alone with the Charge Blade, my new favoruite weapon. It basically has everything out of all the weapons that I liked using, the speedy attacks and the block ability of the Sword and Shield, combined with the strong damage output of the slower weapons. Plus it just looks so cool, both aesthetically and animation-wise. I died once, but I still had over half my potions left. I can't remember if it had even hit the ten minute mark by the time I was done, it certainly wasn't as close cut as I was expecting my first successful attempt to be. Managed follow it to its nest before it had had a chance to fall asleep, in fact I arrived seconds before it did, so it never had a chance to recover. I think it took me about 5 or 6 attempts to finally beat it today.

I'll be seeing you guys next Friday, or whenever you guys want to go Magala hunting before then.