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Post by herpanda on Jan 24, 2013 20:50:45 GMT
Apparently, there will also be trailers for both Wii U and 3DS versions of SSB4 at this year's E3...unless there's some translation error or something.
Looking forward to E3; the wait is too long.
edit: They said it would be a proper announcement, so I'm guessing everyone is assuming that means a trailer. I can't read Japanese, so I'm just going to go with that I guess lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 21:08:18 GMT
When is E3?
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Post by herpanda on Jan 24, 2013 21:16:40 GMT
June 11-13 iirc. If not, then it's sometime in June. I wonder if they'll just restate and clarify everything they said yesterday, or if they actually have even more up their sleeves?
Well, we are still missing Retro's project and Miyamoto's new IP, so that's at least something new we can expect!
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Post by Death Eye on Jan 24, 2013 21:41:03 GMT
Well, we are still missing Retro's project and Miyamoto's new IP, so that's at least something new we can expect! The funny thing about Retro's new project is I could've sworn they said they were going to bring it up last E3, and yet now a year later I still can only idly speculate that it's Star Fox. I won't be surprised if they don't even mention Retro at E3 at this rate. EDIT: How did it take me this long to notice how broken that quote was? |
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Post by thadudette on Jan 28, 2013 1:00:16 GMT
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Post by Indigo on Jan 28, 2013 1:12:43 GMT
Geez, I dunno... Admittedly those are some beautiful graphics, but it's Wind Waker. The game already had very nice cel-shaded, cartoony graphics, that still look great today. I'm not sure how I feel about them turning it into Mario Galaxy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 1:16:57 GMT
I don't care, it's windwaker, it's my favorite Zelda game, it's going to be epic.
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Post by Indigo on Jan 28, 2013 1:20:46 GMT
Well, yeah, it's my favorite Zelda game, that's the thing. I don't know if sailing through the ocean will feel the same when everything is so shiny. I really loved the first style.
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Post by thadudette on Jan 29, 2013 2:28:41 GMT
Whoops, didn't realize Windwaker was already mentioned on page 7 *sweatdrop*
They probably'll add some new features, though, which should make it more interesting than just better graphics ;D
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Post by Stove on Jan 29, 2013 2:53:52 GMT
I don't plan to get it anyway; I prefer the gamecube's look.
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Post by herpanda on Jan 29, 2013 3:37:55 GMT
I don't understand why they remade Wind Waker honestly...(aside from business reasons of course).
Wind Waker has THE most timeless graphics of all of the Zelda games (and maybe SS too). The 3D Zelda that needed a remake most is Majora's Mask, as Oot already got a remake (though admittedly, the newer Oot looks kinda funny imo). Why remake the game with timeless graphics over the game with N64 graphics?
Not that I care about graphics or anything; I don't (I prefer playing games in their original form). It's just silly to "remaster" an already graphically appealing game instead of the one that's noticably more aged.
The only reason to remake Wind Waker at this point, is because it's the only 3D Zelda that Nintendo can't make money off of. Oot and MM are both in the VC, Twilight Princess is on their "NS Wii line", and Skyward Sword is still on retail. So it kinda makes sense that they'd re-release it. But remake it grahpically? No need, just stick it on a gamecube VC or something and remake something that NEEDs better graphics to exist in this gen's new market (as they'd care about graphics more than I). Then again, Wind Waker probably struck more keys with fans than MM, so it's more of a marketable game (especially to new, younger audiences and parents), but still, Majora's Mask is the Zelda that could actually benefit the most from a graphical update, you know?
Personally...the Hero of Time games are my favorite Zeldas. He's my favorite Link, and he actually has a "real" line of games. If they fully remade Majora's Mask for Wii U instead, that could have only lead to a 3rd installment in the Hero of Time's "series," resulting in a trilogy. The story is still incomplete! Link must still find Navi, or at least try to find Navi once again and utterly fail at it. I want to experience and play those final notes to finish his quest. What's more, I want to actually see Young Link grow into adult Link, and master all of those moves that his manifested regrets, the Hero's Shade in TP, taught TP Link.
It's a grand adventure that has yet to be completed. A Majora's Mask remake would have been a step in that direction, a third and final installment in the Hero of Time's life, and I would have been very happy. I don't know why they never finished it...the Zelda games scream "THREE" with the Triforce and whatnot, why not finish Oot and MM off with a trilogy??
That said, I still have to finish TP (at water dungeon) and start and finish WW. Actually... I don't think I've finished MM either lol (but pretty much. I didn't want to beat the game without all the masks, so I put it off for a while).
/herpanda's long thoughts on LoZ
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Post by Stove on Jan 29, 2013 3:52:39 GMT
I love MM, but PH and WW are my favorites due to the vibrant look and quirky characters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 8:14:44 GMT
I've never cared about wind wakers looks.
I love sailing the boat, the over world is awesome, there's much to explore, Link actually has human motivation to do what he needs to besides Ganon, (his sister) I love the king of red Lions, the items, the dungeons, the length...
I never played Majora's mask but I saw an LP.
Nintendo would NOT be able to market that, what with the current image they are trying to create for themselves. Just look at that game! Apocalyptic despair and twisted physical augmentation at the behest of voodoo magic masks.
Good game, but yeah... maybe one day when the people they're trying to bring in with these business tactics stop being such pillocks about dark subject matters. I'd totally buy a remake of MM, just to play it, but I'll also get WWHD.
Anyway, WWHD will probably look very similar to the zelda game in nintendo land, and I'm not against that. (Without all the patchwork and stuff...)
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Post by herpanda on Jan 29, 2013 14:34:27 GMT
^My point was probably lost in the rest of my splurge...but what I meant to say was that Wind Waker doesn't need a graphical update. What I find to be a really dumb move, is that they have two Zeldas. One is a pretty game with nearly timeless graphics. The other is what some would consider an "ugly" game in this day and age, with graphics that have not aged as well as the other. Why make a pretty game prettier, when you can make an uglier game nicer? There was no need to really change the graphics; Wind Waker probably would have done just as fine ported to the Virtual Console. Majora's Mask, however, actually needs a remake to do well with the newer peeps. Wind Waker will make them more money, I don't deny that. But, Majora's Mask is the Zelda that would have benefited most from a graphical update. I'm going to have to play WW soon though, with all the praise it's getting lol. Been backlogged for a year or so now  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 16:09:58 GMT
That makes sense from a gamer standpoint, but from nintendo's standpoint, they know that marketing an update of Majora's mask would receive much backlash from stupid, angry parents.
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Post by njayhuang on Jan 29, 2013 18:24:38 GMT
Wind Waker will make them more money, I don't deny that. I think you've answered it in your own post. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 20:18:28 GMT
Hm, in defense of Major's Mask (having beaten it several times)...
You are really only forced to watch the ending scene (the moon falling part) twice. Once when you get your Ocarina back, and the second time whenever you feel like beating the game. You are not forced to watch it at any other time. And even then, it not that bad...
To be honest, I've never even seen the moon crash into Termina. You have to consciously LET it happen. There is nothing that stops you from playing the Song of Time, even at the very last moments.
And you can skip the mask transformation scenes too. Never once have I actually watched them save the first time I used them. (mainly cuz it is a waste of time to watch them.)
As for backlash from parents...honestly, who the freak cares? I mean, you got parents buying 10 year old kids Grand Theft Auto for crying out loud. I dont think 3 (or 4) scary masks that change how you look are going to be a huge deal. And if it was a huge deal, they would have said so the first time the game came out.
That said, if they do re-make the game, I will definitely buy it. It's somethin of a cult classic that shouldn't be over looked.
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Post by herpanda on Jan 29, 2013 20:41:23 GMT
Wind Waker will make them more money, I don't deny that. I think you've answered it in your own post. It's more of a..."Why....would you do that?" than a "I don't understand." I get why they did it and what Al's saying (and he understands what I'm saying too), I think it's just silly to look at from a non business view.  I miss the old, risky Nintendo that I grew up with, so when they go for the profits route above the "gaming" route, it bothers me. I mean, they're a business and they exist for profit, sure, but when I see it happen it saddens this panda, personally. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 0:01:48 GMT
Kazu, I agree there should be no problem however Majora's mask still has a creepy, disturbing atmosphere where as GTA is more unrealistic, fun ultra violence. This is probably why Nintendo will never let people see earthbound (what with the whole Gigas abortion theory)
They're still trying to be family friendly and Majora's mask is certainly not family friendly. Its a game about apocalyptic despair and isolation, of being the only one aware of impending destruction, and so on, whereas Windwaker is a colorful game about a determined young boy on a valiant adventure to save his sister.
Windwaker is much more broad, they said themselves that they chose windaker for the HD coat of paint because it would be one of the best games to introduce newcomers to the series. I wouldn't say Majora's mask is a good representative of what Zelda is all about. (Although it is good, but it's just not very zelda in terms of story)
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Post by Stove on Jan 30, 2013 4:59:30 GMT
Hm, in defense of Major's Mask (having beaten it several times)... You are really only forced to watch the ending scene (the moon falling part) twice. Once when you get your Ocarina back, and the second time whenever you feel like beating the game. You are not forced to watch it at any other time. And even then, it not that bad... To be honest, I've never even seen the moon crash into Termina. You have to consciously LET it happen. There is nothing that stops you from playing the Song of Time, even at the very last moments. And you can skip the mask transformation scenes too. Never once have I actually watched them save the first time I used them. (mainly cuz it is a waste of time to watch them.) As for backlash from parents...honestly, who the freak cares? I mean, you got parents buying 10 year old kids Grand Theft Auto for crying out loud. I dont think 3 (or 4) scary masks that change how you look are going to be a huge deal. And if it was a huge deal, they would have said so the first time the game came out. That said, if they do re-make the game, I will definitely buy it. It's somethin of a cult classic that shouldn't be over looked. I'm in 100% agreement-wait, you haven't seen the moon-apocalypse? |
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I miss the old, risky Nintendo that I grew up with, so when they go for the profits route above the "gaming" route, it bothers me. I mean, they're a business and they exist for profit, sure, but when I see it happen it saddens this panda, personally.