Persona 4 Arena

[Stove]

*Al and Clax give lengthy walls of text*
*Metal gives one-liner*
PERFECT.

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Jan 26, 2015 4:24:18 GMT Stove said:

*Al and Clax give lengthy walls of text*
*Metal gives one-liner*
PERFECT.

I'm not even entirely sure what Metal's joke was.

Anyway in Persona 4 the Golden Adachi got a social link, which was the Jester Arcana. (I'm fairly sure that's not actually a real Arcana either, but it has the number 0 like the Fool) So you're making friends with him throughout most of the game, as opposed to the original where he was just a random side character at first. Interestingly, when he becomes the culprit, the social link still continues but the Jester turns into the 'Hunger' Arcana, (another made up one but it sounds evil and stuff) and you complete the social link like this after he goes to jail, allowing you to fuse Magatsu Izanagi. His Arcana in Ultimax? Jester. Apparently it reverted off screen. Also, Adachi's 2D is the instant cross-slash one like Junpei's 2D, his 2C sends M-Izangai up in the air diagonally.

And yeah, if you're buying Adachi, be sure to play through episode Adachi, even if it means having to skip through (or actually read I guess) The Persona 4 side of the story.

[Indigo]

Adachi's 2C is like Junpei's 2D... The 'cross-slash' sky drop for Junpei is 214C/D.

I may play Adachi's story to see why he's still Adachi-ing in Ultimax after P4 (I'd expected he would have become less psycho after P4). And how you mentioned he still hangs out with Dojima normally... And all that other stuff you said in that one post which I sadly mostly avoided for spoilers. I hear nothing but good things about his story, too. Since it's a short story I may as well see to it, I'm more interested in it than playing the whole story, which I hear was good but like P4A, just too drawn out.

I'm glad I bought Adachi... I spent about two hours in training, and I'm already starting to feel confident with his playstyle. His combos are fairly easy to get down, and very fun to bounce them around with Izanagi into setups. I guess I can say I main Izanagi now? Hopefully we can play some matches later so I can at least flex out some muscle memory in the heat if battle against Minazuki.

Oh, another thing I loved from the anime was the theme they used for the fight. Really cool song, and it's basically Adachi's theme song. The lyrics are very fit for him, though you'll have to look it up because of the Engrish and how part of it is essentially a rap battle between Adachi and Yu. The song is Ying Yang... For whenever you check it out, now or whenever you watch the episode.

[Metal]

Yu is pronounced you. I was making a word pun. Idr what narukami translates too/ means. But my joke was

No you (insert meaning of narukami here)

Its punny...

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Yo(suke) Metal, Narukami just means thunder, it made no sense, and probearbly wouldn't even if Narukami meant something different. Yu really need to think through your puns before Yu(kiko) post them, or Yu(Kari) will make yourself look like a beary big Fool, who Hungers for attention.
Kan(ji) Yu(ki) do that? Ah, whatever, Fuuka this, all that matters is that I am the Almighty Emperor of BearShona puns.

Man, a part of me wishes I hadn't looked up Ying Yang now. Such a good song, it would have been wonderful to encounter that blind in the anime. It really should be in Ultimax, especially since it plays in so well to Adachi's story and the final fight.

EDIT: If you don't want to play the Persona 4 story, you'll have to look up Episode Adachi on youtube or something. It doesn't unlock until you're done with the Persona 4 side.

[Metal]

Jan 26, 2015 17:05:11 GMT @alberenza said:

Yo(suke) Metal, Narukami just means thunder, it made no sense, and probearbly wouldn't even if Narukami meant something different. Yu really need to think through your puns before Yu(kiko) post them, or Yu(Kari) will make yourself look like a beary big Fool, who Hungers for attention.
Kan(ji) Yu(ki) do that? Ah, whatever, Fuuka this, all that matters is that I am the Almighty Emperor of BearShona puns.

Man, a part of me wishes I hadn't looked up Ying Yang now. Such a good song, it would have been wonderful to encounter that blind in the anime. It really should be in Ultimax, especially since it plays in so well to Adachi's story and the final fight.

EDIT: If you don't want to play the Persona 4 story, you'll have to look up Episode Adachi on youtube or something. It doesn't unlock until you're done with the Persona 4 side.

Technically you can thunder (speak with a loud booming voice) so it works grammatically. But it wasnt that funny ill grant you. It was a word pun. They are meh in terms of humor. I felt like commenting because im thinking about getting arena (once i verify if i have the system (s)? Its on or not with me at my present location.)

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Well, me and Claxus have the PS3 version, and it's only available for PS3 and Xbox 360. I'd obviously recommend Ultimax over the original Arena.

[Metal]

So i could get it on 360, the only problem is thats at home, and im not XD

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I don't think you'd have anyone to play it with either, at least not anyone you know.

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Your Adachi got good quick, easily better than mine if the first match wasn't already an indication of that. The way you try to use Heat Riser doesn't seem to work though, the timing seems tricky and a lot of the time I was simple able to block, and the follow up seemed to be more of a faux combo of sorts. I don't think Heat Riser has any follow ups besides Vorpal Blade and maybe 2C, then again, you have the better Adachi, so what do I know. I hope I recorded that one, I need to look over it in more detail.

Anyway I may actually try to learn Sho properly, and make him my new main. Sho has better pressure and mixup which is where I'm starting to realise is my main problem, other than maybe neutral. The problem with the neutral game is that Minazuki's best tools which make him such a tyrant are fairly ineffectual against you, I pretty much have no reason to teleport, because even if I get a hit, I can't continue into a combo unless it was a counter hit, which is unlikely. I can do plenty of damage with Sho and I found myself breaking through your defence more frequently. In general, I was just having more fun with Sho too. I really enjoy teleporting behind you and using rekkas before you have any idea what's going on. Now THAT'S a telport, who needs a PerShona anyway? I just need to start playing Sho and stop playing Minazuki, since I found that I was using the 214B which activates Minazuki's Rekkas, but misses out on the first part for Sho. I need to start going 236B instead. Sho has other tools which I've been neglecting as well, I think, possibly, I mostly just need to learn his neutral and his combo routes.

[Indigo]

Fun games. I'd keep playing, it's just at this point in time I'm going to have constant interruptions and some AFKs, so I'd rather not let you sit through that, but we can keep playing later at the time we usually do. (And right on cue, I didn't even get a few moments to post until now).

Adachi's j.C is so monstrous. It was actually funny when I switched to Ken, and felt like I had to get super close with his j.Bs. I still enjoy playing him a lot though, I may go back to him instead of Yu, I think you just need to seriously learn blocking patience against him if no one else.

But that aside, I'm glad my training and research session did good enough to where I can already stand against Minazuki. It's partially because Adachi does seem fairly easy to use (then again, anyone but Aigis or the Labrii are), but perhaps also because he gets all his damage off good neutral and reads. Heat Riser definitely follows up (it has to be the B version, he has forever to run up and juggle), and it's a huge part of his game. 5C 'auto-combo' however adds massive proration to his combos. If he uses it in a combo, he's pretty much just going to only get one hit after it, because following attacks get painful hitstun decay. I think it only works off a clean 5C(4 hits/stomp), even then I'm not sure.

5AA > 5B > 5C > Heat Riser B > Dash (while they're falling) > juggle 5B > 2C. The reason it failed a lot was because my spacing was off, it'll whiff if they're too far after the 5C single hit. Usually remedied with a microdash after jump-in j.C, or otherwise I just have to opt for other follow-ups if I end up too far. The 5B after Heat Riser will almost instantly make the opponent auto-tech if I did the full 5C because of its combo proration. Otherwise, 5B > 2C definitely combos afterwards, which can then go into:
Hop > j.C > 5B > 2C for a small loop that adds tons of damage, and with extra meter, can even follow-up with any of his other specials after Izanagi slams them down (preferably Magatsu Mandala) for a finisher of 4.7k.

Not sure why you're doubting it so much. Whiffs aside, I did the combo two times, almost three. And then I showed you against Elizabeth albeit a 'yellow' combo since my timing was a little off (it's awkward timing a running 5B as they fall from up high), and then continued to do it against Minazuki. Full 5C is really best for meterless combos or setups, because it kills any comboing.

I really like Adachi's playstyle, and how he focuses more on plays in neutral, and has some mindgames. Some stuff is pretty cruel... Counter-hit 5D hits like a truck, and though he has very little to deal with pressure, Ghastly Wail is a dangerous reversal option, which I almost feel like I deserve at this point after blocking katanas for as long as I can remember. He really needs Izanagi and meter, though. And Sho is actually so much worse on that, I have no clue how to escape his stuff since there's even less gaps. And don't worry, I'll get the hang of his teleport soon and punishing it. It's probably slightly better and it's a bit more subtle, but still a punishable teleport nonetheless.

I still have a lot of work to do with Adachi, but I'm fairly proud I can already compete against you. The nonstop training to Reach Out to the Truth (Instrumental) payed off...

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Apparently I was only an episode away from the two Adachi centric episodes in P4AG, and wow those were good episodes. Between that and Ultimax it's pretty amazing how well characterised Adachi has been made in these spin-offs, and he was pretty damn good in the original game. Much much better than the first series.

And holy damn, the anime actually got Yu to feel emotions? He actually got his worldview legitimately challenged as opposed to straw-man challenged, finding himself unable unable to give the calm answers he usually does? And he actually displayed emotions and underwent development like an actual human being as opposed to Mary Messiah 2.0?

This anime had to have been done by a different director. I mean the director of the first anime was the guy who made the original safe, bland, source material bound video game (P4, Devil Survivor 2, Dangan Ronpa) and light novel/manga adaptions that have absolutely nothing to offer over the source material. That guy couldn't have made this, I mean, plot aside, notice how the structure and overall direction is so much more energetic and interesting compared to his other shows? The animation isn't always up to snuff, but look at how he structures the story using the iconic calender to it's advantage rather than just for brand and tone recognition, and scenes like Marie interviewing the characters with the camcorder and the band practice and everything about episode 6 and 7, and probably other stuff I've missed.

Same guy. What? Did a somewhat talented space parasite infect his brain or something, and nobody noticed? Has he done anything else recently? Assassination Classroom, airing right now? Bollocks. Well, I might give it another try anyway, unless his new-found talent has deserted him. Maybe he'd do better with an original series rather than being tasked with adaption work, he's obviously very loyal to the source material whereas a lot of directors take liberties, but unfortunately he can't seem to bring any flare to his productions unless he's given breathing room, then again, I'm just speculating and I haven't seen every show he's ever put out.

[Stove]

Hey guys...maybe you should start a PM conversation.

[Indigo]

Overall I'd say I still prefer the original anime, with it being a much fuller experience. Though Golden is technically a sequel I guess, since it gives no exposition at all and focuses on everything that's new 'the second time.' They could afford to focus much more time on... Anything really. And apparently, the original P4 animation ran out of budget halfway through. I never noticed though, I loved that anime, and I'm feeling tempted to watch it again since it wasn't dubbed back then.

Yu did have emotion before, he got worked up a few times, but I always loved his character simply because of how he always keeps his deadbeat-style cool. A friend once told me before that he watched the anime and that he kept thinking Yu was very similar to me, becoming mary sue aside /pride. And I don't think I have to mention the Meikyo Shisui mindset once more... In Golden's version though, Yu had more reason to question himself and feel for Adachi, so it makes sense it would be much more climactic, especially since Adachi... Well, I want to say his reasoning before was 'just because,' if I remember correctly, while now he's had true motives and is essentially another version of Yu who had things much harder in life.

Well, Yu and Adachi were still arguing about something subjective... So in the end it's kind of meaningless. Honestly I'm glad Yu didn't keep pushing friendship in his face this time as the truth, because neither side is right or wrong, but rather, he was trying to change Adachi's outlook so he could be happier.

@steve What's the issue here? We were completely on topic up until the last two posts. And we're still talking about the same series which is relevant due to story, and will probably be talking about Ultimax soon. Tell that to the Kamen Rider guys over at the "What are you watching now" topic.

[Stove]

Jan 27, 2015 2:02:09 GMT Indigo said:

Overall I'd say I still prefer the original anime, with it being a much fuller experience. Though Golden is technically a sequel I guess, since it gives no exposition at all and focuses on everything that's new 'the second time.' They could afford to focus much more time on... Anything really. And apparently, the original P4 animation ran out of budget halfway through. I never noticed though, I loved that anime, and I'm feeling tempted to watch it again since it wasn't dubbed back then.

Yu did have emotion before, he got worked up a few times, but I always loved his character simply because of how he always keeps his deadbeat-style cool. A friend once told me before that he watched the anime and that he kept thinking Yu was very similar to me, becoming mary sue aside /pride. And I don't think I have to mention the Meikyo Shisui mindset once more... In Golden's version though, Yu had more reason to question himself and feel for Adachi, so it makes sense it would be much more climactic, especially since Adachi... Well, I want to say his reasoning before was 'just because,' if I remember correctly, while now he's had true motives and is essentially another version of Yu who had things much harder in life.

Well, Yu and Adachi were still arguing about something subjective... So in the end it's kind of meaningless. Honestly I'm glad Yu didn't keep pushing friendship in his face this time as the truth, because neither side is right or wrong, but rather, he was trying to change Adachi's outlook so he could be happier.

@steve What's the issue here? We were completely on topic up until the last two posts. And we're still talking about the same series which is relevant due to story, and will probably be talking about Ultimax soon. Tell that to the Kamen Rider guys over at the "What are you watching now" topic.

No issue, just a suggestion. We basically talk about competitive Sm4sh in PMs, and you all can discuss this without interruption. That's the whole reason I moved Sm4sh discussion; not everyone wants to see it.
No need to get defensive, do what you want.

[Indigo]

I'll do whatever... I didn't mean to sound defensive. I just don't understand why PM when that's what this topic is for, and no one who wouldn't want to read this wouldn't be here. I PM'd since you started, but it's all the same to me, the Smash topic was about Smash and I don't think it bothered anyone. Asking for matches I understand and we used to do that, but now me and Al always just end up meeting online and then discuss in the game's topic.

[Stove]

Jan 27, 2015 2:48:02 GMT Indigo said:

I'll do whatever... I didn't mean to sound defensive. I just don't understand why PM when that's what this topic is for, and no one who wouldn't want to read this wouldn't be here. I PM'd since you started, but it's all the same to me, the Smash topic was about Smash and I don't think it bothered anyone. Asking for matches I understand and we used to do that, but now me and Al always just end up meeting online and then discuss in the game's topic.

Well, you know, except for the fact that it discourages making any posts in this thread due to them being shunned/ignored and buried under the walls of text. It feels very unsociable and unwelcoming.
In addition, anyone who posts in this thread is from then on cursed to have their "participated" tab light up to see more walls of text of two people conversing through nigh-inconprehensible walls of text that only means anything to the two people who have made 300 posts together just conversing with each other.
It's not off topic, but you've basically turned it into a glorified PM thread.

You wanted to know why. That's why.

[Indigo]

I see what you mean, but you're exaggerating. If someone else posts, we're not going to be jerks and ignore them for no reason. If someone else has something to say about the game we'd gladly talk about that. It's the same way anyone can jump into the daily spam thread or... Anywhere.

Whenever some of us play Smush, everyone in that thread of PMs gets a message notification. Whenever some of you asked to play the Wii U version, I got notifications for that (it didn't bother me). On participated threads, you can mark a topic as read forever, shouldn't that do it if you don't want notifications from an active thread?

If someone else is interested in the game, our banter about the game does make sense, and why else would anyone be here? And a lot of it can be good tidbits of advice for playing the game or matchups that will make sense to anyone who plays. No one has to read it either way. Even you brought something into our conversation a while back when you haven't played, we don't bite anyone who doesn't know stuff.

I don't see a big difference. It's a forum, it's free speech and a lot of it will probably be irrelevant to people, but everything has its own topic and doesn't have to affect anyone... But oh well, we'll PM from now on like we used to and it doesn't hurt anyone.

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Eh? We've responded to all of yours, Metals, and anyone elses posts when they've popped up. The Smash PM thread has so many people involved that it might as well be a full thread.

Also, why didn't you say that to begin with instead of trying to throw off Claxus' response as defensive, leading to more posts that actually derail the topic? I get notifications for threads I've longed since stopped giving a damn about all the time, it goes away if you want it to, and just because it shows up in your tab doesn't mean you have to feel obligated to read anything.

[Indigo]