Fire Emblem; Awakening - Rate the Unit!

[Indigo]

Faaake.

7/10

I'm actually at a loss as how she could be considered that bad... She's no Tiki, but get her to level 30 (which was pretty easy, she gets a lot of EXP) and with Dragonstone+... She ends up with really high stats for little effort without even reclassing. I'm not sure how the stats work on reclassing, but... Her stats inflate to a portion of what a Dragonstone grants her. The real problem with her is the only real good skill for her is Dark Knight's lifetaker, though only her Mage branch is actually unsuitable for her. I would just reclass her to Manakete again, she keeps her stats and will just keep growing, and she has some very nice growth rates.

Thing is, her Def (with Dragonstone+) rivals Kellam at the peak of his General route, and is just as powerful as well, while the rest of her stats are also pretty high. So she makes a very nice physical tank, and her Res also ends up pretty good. And as a Manakete she has that two-tile attack range. And that's comparing her at first level cap to units that are well into their second class. I only started leveling her late game but she zoomed up there quickly. So while she doesn't get great skills, her specialty lies in super stat inflation across the board with Dragonstones and awesome growth rates.

Her supports are pretty nice and funny... After I spent time leveling her and getting supports, I ended up liking her as my favorite female character more than Sumia. She throws rocks at snakes and stuff, and all she really wants is to have fun and be friends with everyone.

[Stove]

If you think Tiki's good, then you'll really disagree with my rating of her when it comes along. Stats only take you so far; she gets points for Manakete's high stats but skills are far more important since everyone can get high stats, but skills are fixed. Compared to her daughter, Nowi is just pathetic and inferior in every way to the point to where I simply can't give her anything above a 4.

[Indigo]

I think Tiki's a joke, she has stupidly high stats and better growth rates than Nowi... If you're going to rate her less than Nowi then it would be only because Nowi can be a mother, but her so-much-betterness should at least balance it out. Though I guess that's a topic for another day.

Everyone can get high stats, yeah, but that requires a lot of grinding. Nowi just kind of gets there easily, ending up with 20-35s across all her stats at just her first level cap with a Dragonstone+, and she levels up as fast as other characters in their first class, so it's pretty easy to get her there and just reset her to keep that inflation going. In a run without a ton of grinding, her high stats is definitely a nice perk, especially having as much defense as level 20 General Kellam. Eventually, her lack of skills holds her back from being as broken as some other units, but she's definitely a solid unit (and destroys wyverns), and you can't go wrong with that attack range making her a pseudo-archer as well.

[Stove]

Aug 11, 2014 5:38:46 GMT Indigo said:

I think Tiki's a joke, she has stupidly high stats and better growth rates than Nowi... If you're going to rate her less than Nowi then it would be only because Nowi can be a mother, but her so-much-betterness should at least balance it out. Though I guess that's a topic for another day.

Everyone can get high stats, yeah, but that requires a lot of grinding. Nowi just kind of gets there easily, ending up with 20-35s across all her stats at just her first level cap with a Dragonstone+, and she levels up as fast as other characters in their first class, so it's pretty easy to get her there and just reset her to keep that inflation going. In a run without a ton of grinding, her high stats is definitely a nice perk, especially having as much defense as level 20 General Kellam. Eventually, her lack of skills holds her back from being as broken as some other units, but she's definitely a solid unit (and destroys wyverns), and you can't go wrong with that attack range making her a pseudo-archer as well.

Nah is the primary reason Nowi is a 4 and why Tiki is even lower. Children's starting stats are based on their parents' stats. The more you train Nowi, the stronger Nah is the moment you get her...and Nah's internal level starts at 10, meaning she levels up faster than Nowi right off the bat with stat growths just as high, better skills, and better caps.
As for Nowi vs. Tiki...no. I disagree entirely. Outside of Skill (irrelevant stat since neither have procs), Speed (the only stat that matters much here.) and Luck (lolLuck) Nowi's stats end better. Nowi has a child, Tiki does not. Nowi has a lot of supports while Tiki has no more than four (and potentially no S supports). By the time you get Tiki, if you're consistently using Nowi, Tiki is already outclassed. Tiki is (in my opinion) the second worst unit in the game, and only escapes dead last thanks to being a Manakete.
While Tiki does have better growths, again, Nowi should be ahead of Tiki in stats before she even shows up. Even if Nowi didn't have Nah, she'd still be better because she's a pre-chapter 13 character and thus has more supports (and plenty of S supports, which makes a big difference.)

I won't deny, however, that Nowi is valuable in a no-grind run. However, my ratings are more about potential, not quick growth(if they were about that I'd have given MU a 10 and Lucina would be getting a low rating), and Nowi is potentially garbage. Kinda like how I gave Donnel a 6.

EDIT: See, this is why I made this, for debates like this. It's fun.

[Indigo]

Well, that's weird... I didn't level up Tiki, but her stats are very close to Nowi's who's level 30. At level 30, along with her higher growth rates, she'll easily surpass Nowi by a good 4-8 points on each stat depending on how the dice roll. Tiki's speed also isn't pitiful like Nowi's.

But yeah, Nah is way better, but most children are probably going to be 8.5-10/10 for the same reasons anyway. I just found Nowi to be a very solid first gen unit as a stat tank. She held very well in the final stage on Hard, so that's gotta be worth something.

I rate for general usefulness. Her quick growth lets her get tanky pretty easily for a first gen unit, so she's pretty useful even if she does get overshadowed and with no true skills. I guess we'll just settle with whatever her average score turns out to be though.

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Nowi is just worthless to me in all respects. Why do the manakete dragon forms look like shiny dragon ghosts? And why can't the MU unlock the Manakete class in the post game and learn Grima's lunatic/lunatic plus unique skills? Bah.

In all seriousness, 5/10. I was disappointed with Nowi. I'm used to basically only one dragon in the fire emblem series being really weak, and even she was a decent support unit with stats and more usability than any of the dragons in this game (besides possibly Morgan) thanks to some dragon laguz unique skills that aren't in this game.

[Stove]

Aug 11, 2014 7:29:52 GMT Indigo said:

Well, that's weird... I didn't level up Tiki, but her stats are very close to Nowi's who's level 30. At level 30, along with her higher growth rates, she'll easily surpass Nowi by a good 4-8 points on each stat depending on how the dice roll. Tiki's speed also isn't pitiful like Nowi's.

But yeah, Nah is way better, but most children are probably going to be 8.5-10/10 for the same reasons anyway. I just found Nowi to be a very solid first gen unit as a stat tank. She held very well in the final stage on Hard, so that's gotta be worth something.

I rate for general usefulness. Her quick growth lets her get tanky pretty easily for a first gen unit, so she's pretty useful even if she does get overshadowed and with no true skills. I guess we'll just settle with whatever her average score turns out to be though.

Not quite, nearly anyone can be good ingame.

Al...MU does not need Dragonskin or Rightful God.

[Deleted]

Yes he does! Maybe not Dragonskin, because then the game wouldn't be able to have fun kamikazing its units with the counter skill.

[Stove]

Aug 11, 2014 15:39:38 GMT @alberenza said:

Yes he does! Maybe not Dragonskin, because then the game wouldn't be able to have fun kamikazing its units with the counter skill.

And Rightful God can allow BS 45% Lethality or 100% Luna/Ignis/Sol.
45% Lethality.
45%.
Oh, and if the skills are passable, Chrom!Morgan can have 55% Lethality thanks to Rightful King as well.

[Stove]

Nowi gets a 5.33/10
Next, Libra. Libra is one of the other magic fathers, and he's good for that. He gets Renewal, Tomefaire, Lifetaker and Vengeance...unfortunately, all his base classes share an advanced class with another base class, leaving him with only four advanced classes. This hurts him badly, but he's still okay. 6/10.

[Indigo]

Almost forgot... Power went out for a while when I was checking this. I'll say 6/10, too. I hardly used him, but he seemed like a fairly reliable unit. Can't go wrong with an unit that has decent skills and can be a healer and powerful attacker. Although you can go better than that, too, I guess. He was a second class pretty early on, so I neglected using him until other units caught up, but I had forgotten along the way so then he just ended up out of his league...

Also as a result of that, I never saw much of his personality. Kind of the obligatory 'trap,' but that gets clarified swiftly in the game. He seems... Like a cool guy, pretty nice and no hard feelings, and often atones for killing. I mean, he is a priest. His solo ending was actually nice, he gets an orphanage going. And he's so beautiful people thought he was an incarnation of Naga. And many (male and female) tried to get some S supports going with him.

[Stove]

Yep. Libra gets a 6/10.
Since I'm starting school I'll be starting this slightly earlier.

Next, Tharja. Tharja is...looking back on it, worse than Ricken. She's more of a tank than a magic user, and is almost identical to Ricken, as all their base classes are either the same, or share one class with eachother. Tharja gets Luna, Bowfaire, Lifetaker, Pavise and DG+. Not bad, but Noire is the main reason to use Tharja. She's good overall, but nogaleforce and weird skillset hold her back. 7/10.

[Indigo]

7.5/10 RickenxTharja OTP afk

Dark Magic cheets. That is all.

She's... A little indiscernible. She can be a nice girl, or a true witch. For the most part, it seems she really only jokes around in their supports in terms of negative things. But she helps a lot of characters... But the thing is, apparently she's a very abusive mother and that's no dark mage act. That aside, I've always been a little partial to her kind of style, like the crush I had on Ashley...

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Oops! I forgot Libra.

Tharja gets a 7/10 from me too. I didn't realise she didn't get Galeforce, which means she isn't worth using in the long run. Then again, neither are a lot of parents.

[Stove]

Tharja gets 6.16/10.
Next, Anna. Anna is sorta crappy. Not very good skills, two supports, meh stats aside from unnessecarily high luck, and inferior to the other person who starts with locktouch right from the start, Gaius. I give Anna a 2/10.

[Deleted]

5/10000. We are given Anna's weakest clone.

She... piques my curiosity, to say the least.

[Stove]

So...0.0005/10?

[Indigo]

4/10 She's not good, but works kind of like Frederick as an early game second class, so she can be used to tank and such for your other units to focus on leveling up at the point you get her, plus she can do a little support with staves. Not much reason for her to stick around after a few missions, but hey, the game gives you a free Trickster at a point where Master Seals are scarce and the majority of your units are likely still 12-15.

Guess it's kind of interesting that Anna is a trans-dimensional family of infinite sisters obsessed with money and cutting prices. Though prices aren't all they can cut.

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Aug 14, 2014 21:16:55 GMT Stove said:

So...0.0005/10?

Nah, lets say 5.0005/10. Actually, make that 5.0006 because I like her personality. You can round that down if you want.

[Stove]

Anna gets a 3.67/10
Next is Olivia. ...she's a Dancer. And a solid mother. And has skills that can let her fight okay despite pathetic stats (Lethality.) Pass is a skill that, while eh on others, complements Olivia so she doesn't get trapped. She also gets Galeforce to give her kid(s) 9/10. Dancers are amazing, and you don't have any other choice.