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Post by Stove on Jul 23, 2014 19:58:03 GMT
Summary/Rules: So, to make matters concise, this thread is for rating every original Fire Emblem Awakening character. This means no Spotpass characters from previous games like Marth and Eliwood, but this does include the characters you get from the orange spotpass missions at endgame. This will be done in the order these characters become avaliable in battle, for the most part, and you will rate from 0.1 to 10. Characters should be rated primarily from a gameplay point of view since rating a character through story can basically amount to: This character sucks I hate him 1/10. I won't stop you if you factor it in however. Also, if you haven't played Fire Emblem Awakening, you probably shouldn't post here. Just a little thing to add. First Analysis: First, CHROM. Chrom is the only unit in the game you're required to use in every normal mission in the game, and he's a pretty good one. Falchion is nice due to being an unbreakable weapon which means Chrom will never be defenseless. Chrom also gets fantastic skills in his semi-exclusive job path, with strong skills such as Aether, Rightful King, and Dual Strike+. Due to his ability to also get Dual Guard+, this makes him a very strong support unit, especially for his spouse. As a father, Chrom is great. His female children all get Aether, and males all get Rightful King, and since aside from his required child, nobody else is capable of getting these skills otherwise, that is a fantastic thing. He's strong and makes for a good parent for physical attackers. However, Chrom himself in battle leaves a bit to be desired. He's not overly strong as a lead unit, and this can often lead to him getting left behind in level by his spouse when paired up. Despite being strong, he lacks the critical bulk that most close range attackers need. Aside from that, he also lacks many good class options, only getting the Lord, Cavalier and Archer sets. Lord and Cavalier are great, but Archer is such a waste of a slot and Chrom would've appreciated something more along the lines of Mercernary or Fighter. He's still good overall though, so I give Chrom an 8/10.
FINAL RATINGS: Chrom - 8/10 Male MU - 9.58/10 Female MU - 9.58/10 Lissa - 7.75/10 Frederick - 5.5/10 Sully - 6.3/10 Virion - 5/10 Stahl - 6.25/10 Vaike - 6.5/10 Miriel - 3.7/10 Sumia - 8/10 Kellam - 7/10 Donnel - 5/10 Lon'Qu - 8/10 Ricken - 7/10 Maribelle - 6.67/10 Panne - 3.67/10 Gaius - 7/10 Cordelia - 8.73/10 Gregor - 6.67/10 Nowi - 5.33/10 Libra - 6/10 Tharja - 7.16/10 Anna - 4/10 Olivia - 7.67/10 Cherche - 6/10 Henry - 5.67/10 Say'ri - 5.83/10
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 20:20:18 GMT
There's little else I can say about Chrom, he simply isn't a particularly outstanding unit. The lord class may be rare, but I probably wouldn't use him if I wasn't forced to. Factoring in personality, I also find him rather dry for a fire emblem character. I always hid him behind another character using pair up. 6/10.
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Post by Indigo on Jul 23, 2014 22:47:03 GMT
Chrom/10 (AKA 10/10)
I dunno... He's so good I rely on him for a lot of my battles. In chapter 17 (inside the castle), I had him stand in that narrow hall that's only a tile wide. ... The entire stage of enemies clogged in there and he just took out the whole stage of 20~ enemies alone. And had 51/51 HP. I had Lucina paired with him, but she gave minimal support at only C, and her being very underleveled. Chrom himself was a level 10-11 Great Lord (of course, level 19 by the end of that). If I pair him with his waifu Sumia, he's virtually godmode... If not already.
His main weakness is magic, but paired with Sumia, that goes up considerably, and his dodge rate (and guard) is huge enough to dodge most spells most of the time. Aether activates frequently enough that he rarely has to heal... Half the time the extra damage it does is nothing but overkill.
I like him as a character, too. He's the badawesome leader, but he's also very genuine and sincere, kind and trusting.
JustwhotheheckdoyouthinkIam/10
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Post by Stove on Jul 24, 2014 0:11:45 GMT
So the average is literally just my score since you two balanced each other out exactly. Well, in a few hours I will consider it tomorrow and start day two; Female and Male MU. (but I feel like I'll be the only one voting on both. ^^; ) Thankfully there's only two of these characters with multiple genders.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:21:34 GMT
So the average is literally just my score since you two balanced each other out exactly. Well, in a few hours I will consider it tomorrow and start day two; Female and Male MU. (but I feel like I'll be the only one voting on both. ^^; ) Thankfully there's only two of these characters with multiple genders. I've made a playthrough with both genders, so I can vote on each multi-gender character.
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Post by Stove on Jul 24, 2014 1:12:52 GMT
So the average is literally just my score since you two balanced each other out exactly. Well, in a few hours I will consider it tomorrow and start day two; Female and Male MU. (but I feel like I'll be the only one voting on both. ^^; ) Thankfully there's only two of these characters with multiple genders. I've made a playthrough with both genders, so I can vote on each multi-gender character. Oh, you have? that's good.
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Post by Indigo on Jul 24, 2014 3:58:29 GMT
I plan to do so as well, probably in a few days.
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Post by Stove on Jul 24, 2014 4:21:43 GMT
So next up, we have Robin/Avatar/MU/MarySue. Two genders that are similar, yet different.
Both: MU is a fantastic character and very versatile; whatever stat you give an asset in, MU will have the highest or 2nd highest stat cap in that stat. Even aside from that, MU starts great, grows quickly early thanks to Veteran, and grows further than any other character (except for one that we'll cover later.) MU has a huge selection of classes and a huge selection of skills , allowing the MU to fufill nearly any role. However, MU is not perfection, but it's very close.
Male MU: Exclusive Classes - Fighter path, Berserker path, Dread Fighter (but every male gets that/every female doesn't so not a big deal.) Notable Skills - Counter, Axefaire, Rally Strength, Resistance +10, Aggressor (The last two can't be passed down to children.) Male MU gets some very nice exclusive skills. If it weren't for Galeforce I'd say Male MU has slightly better skills. But Galeforce.
Female MU: Exclusives - Pegasus Knight path, Troubador path, Bride (see Dread Fighter) Notable Skills - GALEFORCE, Rally Movement, Rally Heart, Dual Support+, Bomd (Rally Heart and Bond can't be passed to children.) Excluding Galeforce they're about even, but Galeforce alone blows everything out of the water.
So Female is better in combat thanks to Galeforce. BUT! It's not over yet! While the Female MU is superior in combat, the Male makes a much stronger father. Outside of Chrom, the Female MU is only the parent of one child. For the Male, he gets better options as a spouse, and far more options to make a second children far more powerful. Because of this...
Male MU - 9.8/10 Female MU - 9.7/10
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Post by Indigo on Jul 24, 2014 5:12:11 GMT
9.5/10... Probably 10 if Chrom/10 didn't exist, so -.5 because he can die unlike Chrom/10, but it's pretty dang hard. 9 For all of the above post. And something not mentioned, Rally Spectrum! +4 to all stats is crazy, and opens a lot of strategies and turning points. Solidarity also really helps specific characters. Also, Ignis is devastating...
Yep, he's mary sue. I wish he actually had lower stats so he would focus more on actual strategy. Anyway, some points for customization in-game and aesthetically, too.
FeMU can get an extra .1 from me because she's prettier and can get gale force.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 13:35:49 GMT
Mary sue is an over used complaint. I've seen some s*** man, I've seen a Gary Stu Mary Sue tag team combo of awfulness. You do not want to see the true horrors the archetype can actually possess... *shudder* Robin posses way too much actual personality for a player created unit. Shin Megami Tensei games have blander leads, and 'bland' really is the word I'd prefer to use, because honestly, literally everyone gets their way in this game, Literally no one dies (The final boss doesn't even die even if you want him to) and this is a FIRE EMBLEM GAME, WITHOUT DEATH. The entire goddamned game is a big fat Mary Sue! In terms of combat The female Robin wins out for me by virtue of Galeforce, and also by being able to mary Chrom for an awesome Lucina/Morgan tag team. Although I do prefer female Morgan, and she can get Galeforce anyway... well, it's down to preference I guess, I can't really rate one more highly than the other. I don't like using decimal places, so I'll just say 10/10 for both.
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Post by Stove on Jul 24, 2014 15:51:08 GMT
*Sees Al comment on liking Female Morgan.* NOOOOOO *posts rant about how Male is better.* Male Morgan is sweet and is a bit oblivious (see Severa and Kjelle's supports.) Female Morgan calls herself a "sweet, selfless girl!" (see Nah(sister) support.) Male Morgan is the most determined guy in the group and is a huge optimist (see Nah's and Lucina's supports respectively.) Female Morgan bashes her head against books thinking it will bring her memory back and knocks herself unconscious like an idiot. (Also see Nah's support.) Male Morgan is humble (see Kjelle's support) Female Morgan is clearly not humble (that's actually kinda back at the "sweet selfless girl" comment, but meh.) Male Morgan is selfless (see Kjelle's again.) Female Morgan is greedy (see Inigo's support.) Male Morgan is voiced by the legend that is Todd Haberkorn. Female Morgan is clearly not voiced by the legend that is Todd Haberkorn.
Clearly these two are incomparable in their wonderfulness. Male Morgan 900% better. Literally the only thing Female has over male is the ability to be a Manakete.
*finish rant*
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Post by Stove on Jul 25, 2014 2:43:58 GMT
The Male and Female MUs ended with the exact same overall score; 9.76666666666you get it it's a repeating number. I rounded it up to 9.8.
Next up, Lissa! Lissa is another valuable unit, she is a mother to Owain, a very good child, and has several strong class options. As a healer starting off, she gains experience VERY quickly if you use her to heal even minor wounds. She gets quite a few great skills; Tomefaire, Dual Support+, Renewal, Lancefaire, and of course the almighty Galeforce. All of her class branches are also female exclusive (technically.) This is a very good thing. Her main competition is Maribelle, who is also a very solid healer with the exact same class sets. Lissa's usefulness depends on how much you use her by chapter 5. If she's already flinging around physics, Maribelle is outclassed. If not, Lissa is outclassed. Maribelle is the better unit overall, but Lissa's headstart gives her a big advantage. She's a very solid healer and is overall very good due to her incredibly fast early game growth offsetting her lower stat growths, and her excellent class options make her a great mother, and very versatile, able to perform almost any magic role.
8/10
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 2:48:15 GMT
Lissa has been 'dead' for so long that I've kind of forgotten her. Obviously invaluable early game, and something compelled me to mary the MU to her initially, but overall she doesn't really rejester with me. I do remember her being very fragile, which simply doesn't hold up well in the long run. However, I believe her magic orientation actually resulted in a very good Morgan, too, (I use her for magic) and Owain is basically the best, so I'll concur with Steve and give her an 8/10.
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Post by Rikuseroth on Jul 25, 2014 23:05:01 GMT
9/10. The heals are endless *physic breaks* that's why it's 9/10
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Post by Indigo on Jul 26, 2014 2:04:12 GMT
6/10... Healing and Rescue have had their uses, but most of the time I've just had an unit heal themselves with items, and have another unit that can fight, in place of a healer. Invaluable for the first half of the game, but around hitting level 20, I think healing starts becoming less important.
3492489023/10 for Severa's paralogue, though.
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Post by Rikuseroth on Jul 26, 2014 2:09:48 GMT
I carry no healing items, only weapons. That's why I need a healer. Plus, she has decent strength, and galeforce. Then again, I have sol on my main fighters, so they're good. But Chrom and my defensive units like Kjelle and Walhart, Lissa is a great healer, and has decent offense
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Post by Stove on Jul 26, 2014 3:31:27 GMT
By the way Riku, just make your votes for MUs and Chrom and I'll adjust the vote accordingly. I kinda took off without you.
EDIT: Also, Claxus clearly has not witnessed the awe- inspiring power of Fortify. At endgame, Ricken was what kept my party together on Hard thanks to a 20+ range Fortify.
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Post by Stove on Jul 26, 2014 4:56:48 GMT
So Lissa ends the day with a 7.75 rating. Nice.
Next up, FREDERICK! Oh, Frederick...as I quickly found out, Lunatic would be absolutely impossible without you. Despite that, Frederick's EXP gain is PAINFULLY slow...he will fall behind if you don't put a lot of focus on grinding him. He gets points for being an ace early on and the savior of Luna/Luna+, but loses some for meh class choices (Luna(the skill) is nice but that's mostly it.) and slow, slow EXP gain. I give Frederick Emblem: Rude Awakening (to Lunatic) a 6/10.
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Post by Rikuseroth on Jul 26, 2014 6:48:06 GMT
Chrom, after dread fighter class(for res+10) super duper, as his main weakness is now covered. 8/10
The avatar is all around amazing. 9/10 because I still can't max his health and res.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 11:28:53 GMT
Federick is a Jagen, who should almost always be ditched as soon as you can fight without them. 5/10.
In awakening, Frederick can be ditched much earlier because level grinding spots open up early, lessening his usefulness as an early game powerhouse. I didn't find his personality anything to write home about either.
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