Fire Emblem; Awakening - Rate the Unit!

[Rikuseroth]

I kinda abandoned him as soon as I got the skill I wanted to pass down, so yea.
4/10

[Indigo]

7/10

Hilariously broken at first, but the other units start catching up later on. When that happens, he's still pretty reliable, but not nearly as good as the better units at that point. At least, by that point, he probably has supports with several characters, so along with that, his weapons, and balanced stats, he's very versatile even late game.

I like Frederick the Wary's character, too, very humble and refined, sincere to a fault, and always selfless. Plus, he has a stone collection.

[Stove]

Frederick gets a 5.5.
Next up, Sully! Sully starts slow...and weak. On my first couple playthroughs I didn't bother with her, as she seemed to be very weak. However, I quickly discovered later on that if you give Sully more love early on, she becomes a serious force to be reckoned with. She gets great skills too: Deliverer, Luna, Aegis, Vantage and Astra are all very nice. She also is the mother to Kjelle, a fantastic child, so that's a plus. However, her defenses are bad for a Cavalier, making it difficult to use her early on. Nevertheless, she's a good unit. Far from perfect (nogaleforce) but she's by no means bad.

7/10

[Indigo]

7/10 sounds about right. Cavaliers are just nice in general. Dunno what to say, I used her a lot and she was always pretty strong. I paired her up with Virion or Stahl which helped her stats a lot... Ended up with her marrying Stahl, and they're a great Paladin/Great Knight duo.

Her personality's good. A bit impartial to her vulgarity, but she's got guts and is rather easygoing. The strong and hearty woman. Kjelle is also pretty cool.

[Deleted]

5/10 I really couldn't care less about Sully. No Galeforce is painful, too.

[Stove]

Sully gets a 6.33/10

Next up, Virion. Virion is terrible. almost all poor class choices, poor skills (Sniper is good, but doesn't really have any good skills.) Hell, the best thing Virion gets from Mage is FOCUS of all things, and the only things he gets from the Wyvern path are Deliverer and Quick Burn. His skill selection is so bad that the breaker skills from the Wyvern path are some of his best skills. He also starts with low stats and is difficult to raise, with subpar growths outside of his massive skill growth. Poor, poor poor poor. At least he has a lot of potential supports unlike some other terrible characters we'll come across later. Virion gets a 3/10.

[Deleted]

Dark Knights get slow burn, you're thinking of quick burn, and I personally prefer slow burn.

But yeah, Viron isn't really worth the time of day. Fire emblem just doesn't like its own archers very much, with scarce few exceptions. Viron's personality was pathetically funny though. 4/10.

[Stove]

Jul 28, 2014 3:33:01 GMT @alberenza said:

Dark Knights get slow burn, you're thinking of quick burn, and I personally prefer slow burn.

But yeah, Viron isn't really worth the time of day. Fire emblem just doesn't like its own archers very much, with scarce few exceptions. Viron's personality was pathetically funny though. 4/10.

Yeah, I know, I meant to say Quick Burn. Thanks for pointing it out; I wouldn't have noticed. (though Virion does get both anyway(Quick Burn is better imo since few skirmishes last 15 turns.)and that reminds me; he does get lifetaker which is a great skill. He's still garbage though.)

[Indigo]

6/10

His stats aren't that good, but he's the only archer you have for a long time. He's very useful for the first half of the game on harder difficulties, to attack melee units to finish off with another character, and to do huge damage to fliers of course. He does his job pretty good while his relevance lasts, but will get overshadowed later due to his stats and skillset.

I love him as a character, though. He's just absolutely hilarious in every dialogue you see of him.

Am I not a thing of beauty?

[Stove]

Jul 28, 2014 21:15:19 GMT Indigo said:

6/10

His stats aren't that good, but he's the only archer you have for a long time. He's very useful for the first half of the game on harder difficulties, to attack melee units to finish off with another character, and to do huge damage to fliers of course. He does his job pretty good while his relevance lasts, but will get overshadowed later due to his stats and skillset.

I love him as a character, though. He's just absolutely hilarious in every dialogue you see of him.

Am I not a thing of beauty?

Except for Chrom. And MU. And Stahl. And Archers < any other class in this game able to weild bows (unless they have Galeforce since this game's maps don't have chokepoints hardly at all(so they can use it to retreat), or Longbows), so, if you have DLC, nearly every female in the game outclasses them thanks to the Bride class, anyone with access to thief or Myrmidon outclasses him thanks to Assassin(which is Kellam,HowWellWillYouDie, and Gaius in the earlier parts of the game.), and another Archer advancement, Bow Knight, is avaliable to Mercernaries, and every unit in this game that starts as a mercernary is better than Virion no matter what, because even if they get absolutely nothing else worth getting, they get Sol from Hero, their other advanced job path, and Sol is one of the top three best skills in the game, and is easily the most useful proc skill. Anyone with access to Warrior also gets bows and is ALSO better than Virion thanks to counter, with migitates their uselessness at close range. The only reason to use Archers and Snipers are because of Longbows (and don't get me wrong, that's a fantastic reason to use a Sniper.) and Virion is literally the worst option of everyone to use a Longbow.
Even if we ignore all the other options for using bows, if you really, really want an archer early game, Chrom and MU can both become one, and they are both superior to Virion. As for the rest of that statement, Magic can do everything else, and if you need a physical attack since that distant opponent has high res, the lance weapons have an entire subsection of weapons that have a 1-2 range, as do Axes. Swords only have Armads and that's late game, but still, their range niche means very little without a longbow in hand, and Virion is easily the worst user of it. Also, Virion doesn't get any proc skills, meaning he falls behind even further towards the end since just about everyone else gets a skill like Sol, Luna or Astra and by the end of the game the skill/2 skills are activating at least 15-25% of the time, and skills like Sol and Luna are activating to as much as 50% of the time.
^Though that's all my speculation. If you like Virion, that's fine, but I felt I could throw in a few counterpoints.

[Indigo]

I just meant like maybe the first ten chapters or so. He's early game utility. Sure, some character can be archers, but it's not like you want to turn Chrom or MU into an archer that early (I forget, can you even get Second/Master seals besides random finds before Chapter 12?). I don't really mention DLC because I don't have it, but also because I think it should also be considered separately from character ratings here.

I don't use him anymore, but he had a fair run with a little niche.

[Rikuseroth]

Virion has skill gain during lvl up, although that isn't his specialty. PannexVirion=Yarne with lethality and lifetaker. He ends up with nice skill gain, making lethality more common and useful

7/10. I still use him.

[Stove]

Jul 28, 2014 22:49:08 GMT Indigo said:

I just meant like maybe the first ten chapters or so. He's early game utility. Sure, some character can be archers, but it's not like you want to turn Chrom or MU into an archer that early (I forget, can you even get Second/Master seals besides random finds before Chapter 12?). I don't really mention DLC because I don't have it, but also because I think it should also be considered separately from character ratings here.

I don't use him anymore, but he had a fair run with a little niche.

Several. In chapter 8 you always get one of each seal for visiting the lower two villages on the map. In chapter 10 and 11 both, an enemy holds a master seal, and in chapter 12 you get both seals from enemies. Aside from that, you get a second seal at chapter 4 for a mere 100 renown. Beating two spotpass teams (and there are some really easy ones you can beat at chapter 4.) will get you 100 renown. And then there's the chance of finding a merchant with some.

Jul 28, 2014 23:04:17 GMT Rikuseroth said:

Virion has skill gain during lvl up, although that isn't his specialty. PannexVirion=Yarne with lethality and lifetaker. He ends up with nice skill gain, making lethality more common and useful

7/10. I still use him.

Lethality is a matter of preference. It's activation rate is stupidly low even with a huge skill stat (Lethality is lucky to have more than a 15% activation rate.) However, there are a few exceptions to where I like Lethality.
1. Olivia. With how weak she is, Lethality serves as a way for her to take down a tough unit on rare occasions.
2. Lucina, Chrom!Morgan, or Lucina!Morgan. These three are the only (non spotpass) units to get Lethality and Rightful King. My Assassin Morgan gets a 27% Lethality activation rate while paired with his wife, Severa, thanks to Rightful King. Also, lol 79% Ignis activation.
Lethality is definetly useful so I can see why you'd like that. I may have to try that since I rarely have a use for any of those three units.

EDIT: My bad, Chrom!Inigo can get RFK+Lethality too.

[Indigo]

Well, I still find little use in changing any of the characters into an archer that early.

And I forgot to mention something very useful I found with him. I got A support with him and Sully, and I always had them paired, so his stats became fairly buffed offensively and defensively, and when he attacked, the dual strike chance was pretty decent. So it's a great way to defeat enemies easily at range from a defensive line. Again, gets overshadowed later, but early game it's useful when a lot of your units take damage easily.

[Stove]

Virion gets a 5/10. Better than I expected.
Next up is Stahl. Stahl is one of those units cursed to mediocrity. He's not bad but he's nothing amazing either. Stahl gets solid class choices, solid stats, and is a solid father for many mothers (except for Nowi, Sully and Tharja.) He doesn't really have any flaws, and gets just enough good skills (Luna, Aegis, Astra, Vantage, Lethality and Bowfaire if you want him to be a Sniper, though that role is better for someone like Noire. He could still use it well as a Bow Knight.) He's not the greatest, but like his fellow Cavalier Sully, he's by no means bad.
Stahl gets a 6/10 though since he doesn't have his own epic child.

[Indigo]

7/10

One of my favorite characters in the game. He's just reliable, he's been one of my main units throughout the game. He's a great middle ground to fight between your main attacking units, and keeping in check anything that tries to get to your healers and other frail units. Plus with the right pairing, he an be a main attacking force as well.

I also like his design and character, pretty awesome hairstyle, sword-on-cavalry is a cool style, calm, kindhearted, diligent but slightly lazy, he's almost a shonen character leaking into Fire Emblem. He can go into the Swordsman tree and look awesome.

He married Sully, which is not the best thing to do, but oh well, it just kind of happened and it seemed like a very natural relationship in the Supports.

[Rikuseroth]

He's good when time is spent on him, but he's not fantastic.
Miriel mentions in their supports that he is only averagely good.
6/10

[Indigo]

Sully mentions in their supports that he's only averagely good because that's his attitude, but he's actually one of the best Shepherds once he changed his attitude.

[Rikuseroth]

Miriel mentions that even after he does some hardcore training, Stahl still remains average, as everyone else began to train after seeing him do so.

[Deleted]

6/10. He effectively fills the space in all ways imaginable.