the ultimate nerd question

[Metal]

In a fight, both going all out, both at the strongest they have ever been at present. Who would win? Goku or superman?

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I haven't watched it but I could swear that there was a death battle video which detailed the whole thing anyway.

Anyway its silly to have an entire thread dedicated to one topic, so to save it from oblivion I think we should turn this into the 'fictional character battle discussion' thread, similar in manner to how we discussed those 'which borgs would win in a fight' kinda thing, but you know, outside of gotcha force.

So if metal agrees, I propose that unless people want to continue the argument, that the next matchup be:

Lelouch lamprouge vs Light Yagami.

If people would rather answer metals question, I'll leave it and make that my question for later.

[Stove]

Lelouch. All he has to do is order light to write his own name in the death note, or give him the death note. Lelouch wins.

Superman vs. Goku, Superman wins. Superman has nigh-invulnerability. He could tank a kamehameha without a scratch.

[Indigo]

DBZ at least, isn't very consistent with how it showcases power. However, pretty early on a certain character annihilates the moon with a simple hand blast from Earth, and their power level was at like 400~ at the time? Goku's power level at his next appearance was... Over 9000. And this number rapidly multiplies throughout the series. At the end of GT, I read his power is 4,100,000,000 at his strongest form, and when he fuses with Vegeta it's about 9 times that much. In other words, Goku could like... Disintegrate the Earth (or universe at this point?) around 4, or 56 billion fused, times over, and just with a blast from his hand.

Well, those are just the numbers anyway... I don't know if Superman is literally invincible, but if not, I'd say he probably doesn't compare.

I never watched Death Note though. But couldn't Light just not make eye contact and/or write Lelouch's name before he can do anything?

P.S. These debates are funny and interesting yet pointless as there's hardly ever any solid comparison between two series.

[Carigun]

As a start Id like to say that I dont know who Goku is. but Superman is indestructible (Part from Kriptonite) so Goku dose not stand a chance.

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Jun 3, 2013 18:38:53 GMT Indigo said:

I never watched Death Note though. But couldn't Light just not make eye contact and/or write Lelouch's name before he can do anything?

Lelouch could easily speak before Light had a chance to write the name down, especially considering that Lelouch has such a long name, since it has to be written out in full, including 'vi britania' not to mention if Lelouch sticks to the false Lamprouge name, Light will be ineffective against him. As for eye contact... I'm pretty sure Lelouch also has more combat experience, only by a little bit. He could probably just grab Light's head, and force him to look into his eyes while he does his thing.

[njayhuang]

Never seen Code Geass, but isn't Lelouch really famous/infamous in the show? Light on the other hand is just a smart guy in high school to almost everyone around him (up until the reveal at the end of the show). I think it would be much easier for Light to write the name of the guy on TV than for the big famous dude to track down this random high schooler.

But I guess it depends on the circumstances of the fight. Are we assuming an alternate reality where they are living in the same universe and are suddenly given the task to kill each other? Or are they plucked out of their respective universes and placed in a cage fight?

Not to mention age since people's strength, skills, and social connections change throughout their life.

[Metal]

Alright so superman at his strongest can fly fast enough to break the space time continuum. Idt instant transmission can do that... also goku has that thing where every time he nearly dies he doubles? In power. So probably first fight i give it to supes. After that? Its anybodies game. Though neither one could kill the other due to moral nature and stuff.

Though for discussions sake, i feel that weaknesses should be listed.

Superman: magic, kryptonite, red suns. Forgot... lois

Goku: death, people stronger than him, death, getting punched in the face, death, earth, chi chi, his kids, his friends, heart failure, selflessness, and in the event i forgot to mention it, death.


As for lulu (i want to say alice? Called him lulu) vs light, lulu has mechs, and mind rape. Take away the death note from light and all he is is still alive.

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Jun 3, 2013 20:13:13 GMT njayhuang said:

Never seen Code Geass, but isn't Lelouch really famous/infamous in the show? Light on the other hand is just a smart guy in high school to almost everyone around him (up until the reveal at the end of the show). I think it would be much easier for Light to write the name of the guy on TV than for the big famous dude to track down this random high schooler.

But I guess it depends on the circumstances of the fight. Are we assuming an alternate reality where they are living in the same universe and are suddenly given the task to kill each other? Or are they plucked out of their respective universes and placed in a cage fight?

Not to mention age since people's strength, skills, and social connections change throughout their life.

Light wins at long range.

However since this is trans-continuity nothing else in their respective universes should come into play, so media and such would be pointless. Since distance shouldn't really need to factor into super man vs goku (or indeed nearly any other match up.) I think its safe to assume that these battles take place in a neutral, face to face environment. So, Lelouch wins.

Anyway shouldn't we be asking more questions?

Batman vs Solid snake GO!

[Metal]

Batman. Cause he is effing batman. He has a contingency plan for everything. Solid snake just has martial arts.

[Indigo]

Jun 4, 2013 0:34:55 GMT Metal said:

Batman. Cause he is effing batman. He has a contingency plan for everything. Solid snake just has martial arts.

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Jun 4, 2013 0:34:55 GMT Metal said:

Batman. Cause he is effing batman. He has a contingency plan for everything. Solid snake just has martial arts.

I don't know, this one actually feels a lot harder to justify. For the record, I'm also talking about young snake. Lets look down the list:

They both have utterly badass status on the net (batman more than snake, and the hype doesn't really help in a fight no matter who you are.)
Both are incredibly resourceful
Both are stealthy beyond belief.
Both have nigh unlimited access to cool weapons and gadgets, with the bonus of snake having access to actual fire arms.
Both have access to high tech combat vehicles, although for the purposes of the fight, they wont use them.
Both are highly trained in martial arts, although snake may well be trained by an actual military, whereas batman is self taught(?)
Both are highly trained tacticians, and intelligent in their own right (again, Snake taught by the actual military)
Both where high tech combat armour, although batman may have the better armour.

I don't know, I'm leaning towards snake on this one, because of the fire arms and and actual military training.

[Metal]

Batman is a twelfth level intellect the only other earthling that high is lex luthor. Bats was trained by ninjas. Or the league of shadows, then improved what they taught him. I really doubt a fire arm of any kind is useful here, as bats could just disarm snake before he can fire it. Plus batarangs are useful for like everything? And have that boomerang effect should he miss.

And he is the worlds greatest detective. So within minutes at most would have deduced how to effectively disable snake.

[Indigo]

Snake also does have an IQ of 180. I think you're underestimating Snake quite a bit. Batman isn't the only one capable of disarming. Snake has also fought against cyber ninjas barehanded. And withstood several sessions with a torture machine, including at the highest shock output. He's fought on foot against giant mechs and tanks, helicopters...

Honestly, I'd say Snake is superior, except Batman has one advantage, and that's better technology. If they had access to only the same level of technology, Snake would probably take it home.

[Metal]

Batmans iq is well over 180.... i think that snake stands a chance, but batman i think is the superior contender here. Assuming we are talking about bruce wayne and not dick grayson. Dick was an awful batman.

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Jun 4, 2013 2:38:53 GMT Metal said:

Batmans iq is well over 180.... i think that snake stands a chance, but batman i think is the superior contender here. Assuming we are talking about bruce wayne and not dick grayson. Dick was an awful batman.

Oh come on if his IQ was close to 200 I don't think he'd be falling into such psychological traps like the hero complex. Much of the buildup around batman is there in order to make him seem useful next to someone like superman.

I didn't know he was trained by the league of shadows. I thought that only happened in the movie.

[Metal]

Jun 4, 2013 11:51:36 GMT @alberenza said:

Jun 4, 2013 2:38:53 GMT Metal said:

Batmans iq is well over 180.... i think that snake stands a chance, but batman i think is the superior contender here. Assuming we are talking about bruce wayne and not dick grayson. Dick was an awful batman.

Oh come on if his IQ was close to 200 I don't think he'd be falling into such psychological traps like the hero complex. Much of the buildup around batman is there in order to make him seem useful next to someone like superman.

I didn't know he was trained by the league of shadows. I thought that only happened in the movie.

I think it depends on the writter honestly. But sure, he can maintain two seperate identities full time, develop all his own tech, develop a billion contengencies that all have their own contengencies, earn the title "worlds greatest detective", fight years worth of crime, and run
A billion dollar company. But no his iq isnt above average at all.

I feel again that lex should be referenced here, as he is another "12th lvl intellect" and his literal goal in life is to be superman and have people love him.

[Badog Vi Britania]

I think the better arguement would be

Aquaman vs. Yamcha....

[Indigo]

There's been enough evidence in the show implying that Yamcha would have been able to defeat Cell. As for Aquaman, I have no idea.

[Stove]

Ganon vs. Bowser.
Note It says Ganon, not Ganondorf.