Hidden Status-up after all?

[Admin]

Something I've noticed a lot recently while leveling up normal-sized Borgs is that, the more I level up them, the stronger they get, literally, especially on the defense.

Maybe there really is some slight improvement in status after levels other than HP.

I'm quite convinced of this, since right now, I'm fighting a lot with Death Wing and something I learned pretty much immediately is, he's a wuss. A few to one single hit and he usually bit the dust.

Now he's lv. 7 and he's gotten 30 more HP since the beginning.
Not much for one that can't take many hits.
However, in battles now, he can take quite a lot of beating, in fact, enemies can fling him around quite a lot and I still often end up winning with him.

Only explanation I can think of, he's gotten better overall status thanks to his level-ups.

As I said in the beginning of the post, I've noticed this with a lot of Borgs that usually gets killed within the first 10 seconds only to manage an entire battle after getting just a few more levels, so for me, I can't just take "they only get a few HP on level up" statement anymore.


Maybe this explains why my Sirius has such a divine defense.


Thoughts?
Counter-views?

[loopy]

I did post a long detailed message here but as f***ing usual my internet just had to mess up

All i can say is that i've felt the same for ages (like years)
High level borgs tend to have better everything (stronger attacks, better defence and higher HP of course)

[njayhuang]

Interesting. I've never really payed that much attention to stuff like that.

[MeAmCryzor]

I have also noticed that, lol. How weird

[xeryck]

I dont believe that "stats" of each borg really mean anything....I think its mainly just a comparison of its strong and weak points.....
not so much that if a borg has high shot power that the bullets/beams do HIGH damage....but moreso that the borg is exceptionally strong in that area.

And i agree with the hidden status "ups" because ive noticed that my normal knights take alot less damage at lvl 10 than lvl 1
So in essence i think lvling up does alot more than just raise health a little

[juggernaut]

has anyone recorded some solid data for this? it would be really easy to confirm one way or the other.

[Admin]

Nope, but it's as clear as a Crystal Borg that Borgs do get stronger with levels.

[loopy]

There is an easy test we can do. Get a level 1 Sirius to shoot a level 10 Sirius. Then Get the level 10 Sirius to shoot back. If our theries are correct, the level 10 Sirius will do more damage.

[MeAmCryzor]

^Good plan

[juggernaut]

you wouldnt be able to tell if either defense was raised, damage was raised or both were raised.

or is damage even being debated?

in that case you would see how much damage a level 1 sirius does to another level 1 sirius and compare that to how much the level 10 sirius did.

is there a damage threshold or a set amount of damage for any attack? say sirius shot does 5-15 damage, or would it always do 10 damage?

[njayhuang]

I'm pretty sure damage is equal unless they grow stale.

[Admin]

I made a simple test with a lv. 1 VS a lv. 10 Sirius.

Actually, they did the same damage to each other.

That test didn't deteriorate my belief in hidden status bonus though.

• It was in VS mode, and maybe status bonus doesn't work there because things could be easier for one side if it did.
  
• It was a Borg VS itself. Maybe that simply won't work.
  
• Perhaps somehow firing attacks simply ignores any kinds of defense bonuses.
  
• It was big Borgs (Fortresses) and perhaps this has something to do with it, since I've really only noticed this with smaller Borgs.
  
• I've seen with my own eyes, several times, how frail Borgs gets a dramatically increased resistance to attacks, and we're talking about a lot more than just one or two extra hits here.
  

I'm still, and will be, convinced of the hidden status-ups.

Perhaps the bonus HP itself somehow has increased value in themselves.

Whatever the case, there's something helping the Borgs survive much better than a simple HP boost.
Death Wing battles proved that hands town to me.

[juggernaut]

"It was in VS mode, and maybe status bonus doesn't work there because things could be easier for one side if it did."

find a controlled area in single player where you can test this.

"It was a Borg VS itself. Maybe that simply won't work."

use different borgs of different levels against both the level 1 and 10.

"Perhaps somehow firing attacks simply ignores any kinds of defense bonuses."

you can use the different borgs test i just mentioned to test if physical attacks can make a difference.

"It was big Borgs (Fortresses) and perhaps this has something to do with it, since I've really only noticed this with smaller Borgs."

simply try the original test with different borgs, preferably ones youve noticed with better stats.

personally i dont like hidden values, its like a cheap shot from the game developers by hiding these from you. rpgs are notorious for them, and they usually go along with games that are "type heavy" to try and keep a rock, paper, scissors type of balance.

on the other end, i wouldnt be surprised if it was just a placebo effect. you start off with something new and get thrown all over the place, but after playing and really feeling a fighter theres no doubt your performance will improve outside of simple increase in health or defense.

EDIT
saw this bit of information on gamefaqs
"Color seems to have a very small effect on defense. When I tried to use a black Neo G for testing along with my normal one, the black one consistently took about 2-5 less damage per hit. Anyway, here's a few more borgs."
topic: Move List...again
page: 4
post: 5
poster: voltrox 747

Edit again
"I just tried Kung-Fu Master's B shot against two Cyber Girls. The level 1 Cyber Girl took a constant 18 damage, and the level 9 took a constant 17 damage. Looks like there is a minor stat increase with levels but, considering how small it is and the fact that my damage numbers are going to be somewhat unreliable anyway, I'm just going to keep using my level 7 Neo G. The damage value is only important for comparing moves, so it doesn't matter what I test them against so long as I keep using the same one."
topic: Move List...again
page: 5
post: 2
poster: voltrox 747

[loopy]

Sept 4, 2009 4:37:44 GMT Admin said:

I made a simple test with a lv. 1 VS a lv. 10 Sirius.

Actually, they did the same damage to each other.

That test didn't deteriorate my belief in hidden status bonus though.

• It was in VS mode, and maybe status bonus doesn't work there because things could be easier for one side if it did.
  
• It was a Borg VS itself. Maybe that simply won't work.
  
• Perhaps somehow firing attacks simply ignores any kinds of defense bonuses.
  
• It was big Borgs (Fortresses) and perhaps this has something to do with it, since I've really only noticed this with smaller Borgs.
  
• I've seen with my own eyes, several times, how frail Borgs gets a dramatically increased resistance to attacks, and we're talking about a lot more than just one or two extra hits here.
  

I'm still, and will be, convinced of the hidden status-ups.

Perhaps the bonus HP itself somehow has increased value in themselves.

Whatever the case, there's something helping the Borgs survive much better than a simple HP boost.
Death Wing battles proved that hands town to me.

Im with you man!

[The Regal RP Mod]

Sept 4, 2009 4:37:44 GMT Admin said:

Perhaps the bonus HP itself somehow has increased value in themselves.

Whatever the case, there's something helping the Borgs survive much better than a simple HP boost.
Death Wing battles proved that hands town to me.

Maybe the borgs are subject to evolution. Like if you constently fight a guy who attacks with missiles(I.E. claw robot) with a borg who uses fists (I.E. Kung-Fu master) eventually the fist fighter will develop a resistance to missile attacks. Or am I just crazy?

[loopy]

Sept 23, 2009 0:42:51 GMT The Regal RP Mod said:

Sept 4, 2009 4:37:44 GMT Admin said:

Perhaps the bonus HP itself somehow has increased value in themselves.

Whatever the case, there's something helping the Borgs survive much better than a simple HP boost.
Death Wing battles proved that hands town to me.

Maybe the borgs are subject to evolution. Like if you constently fight a guy who attacks with missiles(I.E. claw robot) with a borg who uses fists (I.E. Kung-Fu master) eventually the fist fighter will develop a resistance to missile attacks. Or am I just crazy?

Your the second person to claim to be another member XD Jooooke

That would be cool but i don't think thats how it is.

[Admin]

Sometimes I swear the reloading goes faster with the increasing of levels.

[MeAmCryzor]

Gahh!!!!

People are claiming they're me!!!

Does it really matter guys?

[Deleted]

well, were all a lil bit crazy, so i guess your in all of us xD

[loopy]

O.O Dragonema ;D

Im sorry but as much as i like Crazy, he isn't invited inside me ;D

But maybe Admin...