Star Wars 7 chat

[dillybar64]

Who has seen the movie and wants to talk about it?

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I've seen it and I enjoyed it.

There's really not that much to talk about right now, unfortunately. All the major opinions on the film boil down to it being exciting and enjoyable like the old films, the new characters being strong, and being solidly made. This is despite it being a film that takes too much from the originals, practically repeating them wholesale, and leaving out important information on just where the new order/new Sith Lord who's name I forgot came from in favour of pushing them back to future sequels. More than ever, enjoyment of the film comes down to personal tastes I think- It's going to be a while until people come up with new strengths and flaws I think, particuarly when the sequels come out and we can see how this actually measures up as a trilogy.

[Stove]

The characters were dynamic and great but all of their names were so forgettable that I can't even remember any of them except for "Finn".

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Han Solo's death

Was about as surprising as the ending to Aladdin, and it was all a repeat of A New Hope.
If I were to give it a score I'd probably give it a 6 or 7/10 because it did a lot right but also a lot of stupid things.

[dillybar64]

Dec 30, 2015 4:59:58 GMT @alberenza said:

I've seen it and I enjoyed it.

There's really not that much to talk about right now, unfortunately.

With Star Wars that's never true. It's part of why I started this thread
For example, I had quite the conversation at work wether Rey is a new force user, or wether she could be related to Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon.
There were quite a few theories thrown around about how she could be related to Luke and how it could connect to his self enforced exile.
Or even just what we thought of Han Solo's death.

All the major opinions on the film boil down to it being exciting and enjoyable like the old films, the new characters being strong, and being solidly made.

I didn't like it.
How do you define "major opinions?"

I think- It's going to be a while until people come up with new strengths and flaws I think, particuarly when the sequels come out and we can see how this actually measures up as a trilogy.

While it's true that it'll be awhile before we can look at the trilogy as a whole, we have a complete movie with a pretty complete story (like episode 4).
Even if it wasn't it's still a whole movie and I've sure got an opinion about its strengths and flaws.

I think that, like other J. J. Abrams films, it's too filled with techno babble. You have people pulling rules out of their butt and half the time I'm left wondering how they even knew that. Like when Han Solo knew about the rotational frequency (or whatever) of the 1st Order's totally not Death Star and how it stops anything from coming in beneath light speed.

I think that, like other J. J. Abrams films, the film has an aggressive pacing. It never lets up and lets the audience just absorb and enjoy the movie. Something needs to be happening all the time and it's exhausting. All kinds of unnecessary stuff ate up screen time just so the pace never let up. I felt that the attack on Han Solo's freighter where the monsters escape was just such a scene.
Or when Fin had the random and extended lightsaber fight against the Storm Trooper with the electric tonfa thing.
It added nothing to the over all story. The heroes were just put in danger and special effects got rubbed on the screen for a little while to dazzle and amaze.
Like, all the action stuff was well done. But some of it really got in the way.

I felt the movie was full of conveniences.
Like, how did R2D2 have the map?
Why did no one know?
If he had the map, why didn't he share it with everyone?
Or how the Storm Trooper who worked on the sanitation of the base has intimate enough knowledge of it's structure that he knows the bases one weakness.

Don't get me wrong. There were things I liked about it. I thought it was quite silly that they continued the EU tradition of "Death Star but dumber."
I thought that it being fueled by the sun was a cool move that played off of the light/dark struggle with basically every other reference to it.
Like, "So long as there's still light boys we've got a chance."

I thought the characters were good and the slow reveal that Rey is force sensitive was really well done.

I felt that when it was being original it was great, but unfortunately, we don't get a lot of that. The movie's biggest flaw was that it hewed too closely to A New Hope.
You have a droid carrying the special information that the rebellion needs. The droid finds a force sensitive youth on a desert planet, and the bad guys follow the droid and blow s*** up to get at it. They escape the planet in the Millennium Falcon. They take the plans back to the rebel base, where Princess Leia & pals decode them. A giant spherical super weapon is shooting lasers and blowing up planets, and it's found the rebel's base and is going to blow it up, but it's cool because the good guys know about a single spot they can blow up to start a chain reaction to blow the whole thing up. There's a tense count down while it powers up and gets in firing range, so the good guys have to fly a squadron of X-Wings against it. It explodes and they win.
End.
Which movie did I describe?
Both 4 & 7
And the worst part is that it foreshadows that it'll just keep lifting plot points from the original trilogy.
It foreshadowed so hard that Kylo Renn (Darth Vader 2.0) would turn on his boss (Palpatine 2.0)

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Well yeah as I said those opinions have been expressed before, even by the very same people I watched the actual movie with let alone a bunch of internet critics. Not saying you're wrong mind you, I agree with pretty much everything you said, though some of the plot holes can be explained away. R2 seemed to have been programmed to shut down for a period of time and thus couldn't share the map. It's not unreasonable to assume that even a stormtrooper in the sanitary department would know important things about the base.

I just don't really care because it was fun. I don't really have any investment in Star Wars as a franchise to really care about new stuff, I've only watched each of the original trilogy films the once. So it was fun, I like extraneous scenes that add 'fat' to a story just to make the world seem larger and more fully realised even if it doesn't technically forward the plot in any meaningful way. It's a more interesting way of meeting up with Han Solo, and results in one of the funnier and more inventive scenes in the movie. The action was good, the characters funny and unique, and it didn't piss me off like J.J's last Star Treck film did. It did everything I was expecting.