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Post by herpanda on May 21, 2013 18:18:22 GMT
So yeah, which NAME do you like the best?
I'm going to have to go with PS4, at least they're consistent lol, and it sounds good. Wii U never seemed like a good name to me...and Xbox One is kinda...<_< well.. backwards thinking I guess. Xbox Infinity sounded nicer (or even 720), and kinda made sense.
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Post by Metal on May 21, 2013 18:34:28 GMT
Wait they went with 1? Are they gonna rerelease the classic xbox and take gaming a step back? Its so retro its ingenious!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 19:55:05 GMT
Wait they went with 1? Are they gonna rerelease the classic xbox and take gaming a step back? Its so retro its ingenious! ... no, that sounds like the stupidest idea ever since retro gamers would already own a goddamn original xbox. And thankfuly Microsoft isn't doing it. It's just a stupid name for the 720. No offense, but offense intended. As much as I'd like to say Wii U... PS4 too. |
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Post by Metal on May 21, 2013 20:01:54 GMT
Wait they went with 1? Are they gonna rerelease the classic xbox and take gaming a step back? Its so retro its ingenious! ... no, that sounds like the stupidest idea ever since retro gamers would already own a goddamn original xbox. And thankfuly Microsoft isn't doing it. It's just a stupid name for the 720. No offense, but offense intended. As much as I'd like to say Wii U... PS4 too. Im a retro gamer and my original xbox broke. Screw wii u n64 all the way haha. As i stated in my post in the other thread, itd be ingenious on microsofts part. Best prank ever anyways. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 20:15:17 GMT
No new games come out for older consoles... because, you know, they're OLD. Making new games for them wouldn't make the games instantly good, it would just place unnecessary strain on developers.
Stop now before I go super sayan on your stupid, smug, retro gaming little- (I have been advised not to finish this sentence as advised by everyone.)
Companies don't pull pranks... they do their job. Paying for used games is in itself an irredeemable prank.
I must be the only person who thinks nostalgia can honestly go to hell...
That's it I need to smash something. Preferably planet earth.
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Post by Metal on May 22, 2013 1:48:41 GMT
No new games come out for older consoles... because, you know, they're OLD. Making new games for them wouldn't make the games instantly good, it would just place unnecessary strain on developers. Stop now before I go super sayan on your stupid, smug, retro gaming little- (I have been advised not to finish this sentence as advised by everyone.) Companies don't pull pranks... they do their job. Paying for used games is in itself an irredeemable prank. I must be the only person who thinks nostalgia can honestly go to hell... That's it I need to smash something. Preferably planet earth. Have you even played nostalgia? It is a fantastic game. Also its super saiyan. |
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Post by Death Eye on May 22, 2013 4:35:01 GMT
Given the choice between Wii University, Xbox 359 versions ago, and Playstation The Next One, the correct choice is obvious. No new games come out for older consoles... because, you know, they're OLD. Making new games for them wouldn't make the games instantly good, it would just place unnecessary strain on developers. Stop now before I go super sayan on your stupid, smug, retro gaming little- (I have been advised not to finish this sentence as advised by everyone.) Companies don't pull pranks... they do their job. Paying for used games is in itself an irredeemable prank. I must be the only person who thinks nostalgia can honestly go to hell... That's it I need to smash something. Preferably planet earth. Retro gaming and OH MAN NOSTALGIA CAPTAIN NOVOLIN'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN EVERY GAME IN THE PAST 10 YEARS aren't the same thing. Go play Super Mario World, it's at least as good as any given NSMB and you don't need nostalgia to think that, it's a good game on its own merits. "But you said that one time in that one thread a billion years ago that you played it as a kid. Your perspective is obviously inherently nostalgia-filtered." Not really, but for the sake of argument sure, let's pretend that's the case. In fact let's take opinions out of the equation entirely and look at The Legend of Zelda. Back before the N64 the series was either 2D adventure-type stuff or whatever Zelda 2 is (I need to play that at some point). Then the N64 came around and now basically the only 2D Zelda games to be found are the ones before then, those DS touch-controlled ones that have too different a control scheme to compare, and Four Swords Adventures. And I guess that upcoming ALttP2, but I doubt that would even be a thing were it not for the fact that straightforward 2D LoZ games aren't a thing that's been being made lately. And even with that being an upcoming thing, it won't compare to the original, and I don't mean that in the sense of the original's just that good, I mean that in the sense that the original has a completely different appeal to it, it just drops you in the world with no direction and leaves you to look around and figure it out for yourself, and you don't really find that much of a sense of exploration in most games these days. Same with Metroid, back then they just dropped you in the world with no map and left you to go shoot stuff and explore the world yourself, and now look at Other M. Look at every one of the games since Super Metroid, in fact. tl;dr: As much of a cliché as it is, they really don't make 'em like they used to. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 6:47:37 GMT
Context. What you sau is true (And I have played super mario world) but retrogaming does become unhealthy when people are vying for a return of old consoles.
I also wish to point out that I have no connections to any game systems before the gamecube, and I generally dislike nostalgic gaming because some of the games of my childhood (mainly mario sunshine and Windwaker) were compared to mario64 and OoT unfairly, and disliked simply for being different games, even when I believed and still do believe that they are infinitly better games.
Same goes for every FPS after golden eye.
I think the only N64 game I ever truly liked was paper mario. I liked that one.
But the thousand year door and even super paper mario were much better.
Thing is, you can rationalize all you want and it will make sense but as far as I'm concerned, the kids of today will grow up with a nostalgic preference for, say, super mario galaxy and twilight princess/skyward sword. (Not to mention how scary it will be to see old men reminiscing on the good old days when they used to teabag noobs) The cleaver among them will try to rationalize against older games but although it seems mind boggling to us, my prediction is that they'll ultimately choose the newer games.
Of course, I may be wrong.
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Post by Death Eye on May 22, 2013 8:38:28 GMT
Context. What you sau is true (And I have played super mario world) but retrogaming does become unhealthy when people are vying for a return of old consoles. That's not retro gaming, that's utter stupidity. Anything the consoles could do back then could easily be replicated on new consoles... except maybe load times which were so quick as to rarely require screens back on the cartridge-based consoles, but if you're talking games the size of games back then they could probably be loaded in their entirely in a couple seconds, so yeah, anything. So you don't like nostalgic gaming because people got annoyed at games from your childhood for being different? ...Couldn't you just like the games and not care what dumb reasons dumb people give for not liking them? (Also I found Sunshine annoying for reasons entirely unrelated to the actually-pretty-cool water gimmick. You know what's not fun? Having to swim for 2 minutes because you fell off a boat you have to ride for 45 seconds to get on another boat and ride for even longer to open an area once that it's entirely possible to mess up and have to reopen through that same unnecessarily tedious process.) This portion of your post is pretty confusing, I can't tell if you're talking older and newer relative to now or in the future when people start getting nostalgic for the Wii. I probably need to get some sleep. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 12:50:58 GMT
firstly, yes. Well, that's what Metal said and it was what started this off in the first place.
Secondly, I do and I don't care really what others think. The entire point of my post was explaining that I think while nostalgia is rationalized, newer generations will also rationalize the newer games from their childhood in a similar manner, rending nostalgic preferences pointless. I mean its not just me, everyone I know who grew up with gamecube preferred them to the old N64 games. Probably not the best measure but there you go.
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Post by Stove on May 22, 2013 15:48:17 GMT
Wii U, because PS4 is a boring name expected by everyone, and Xbox One just sounds stupid. Also, Wii U is a siren noise when you say it out loud.  WIIUWIIUWIIUWIIU |
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Post by Death Eye on May 22, 2013 17:44:57 GMT
firstly, yes. Well, that's what Metal said and it was what started this off in the first place. Secondly, I do and I don't care really what others think. The entire point of my post was explaining that I think while nostalgia is rationalized, newer generations will also rationalize the newer games from their childhood in a similar manner, rending nostalgic preferences pointless. I mean its not just me, everyone I know who grew up with gamecube preferred them to the old N64 games. Probably not the best measure but there you go. Makes sense, but at the same time you don't see people nostalgically talking about how much better Pitfall is than any SNES game. There's more to it than just nostalgia, there's also the fact that the NES and SNES were both advanced enough to have depth to their games while the Atari kind of didn't, really, most of those games were endless and endless games tend to just be "do this until you can't do it anymore." So when the future generations start getting nostalgic for DKCR DKC2 will still be a relatively deep gameplay experience. Whether or not that matters remains to be seen, honestly I expect the future generations to not appreciate the SNES simply because they're stupid but we don't know for sure until it happens. |
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Post by dillybar64 on May 24, 2013 14:58:42 GMT
Wait they went with 1? Are they gonna rerelease the classic xbox and take gaming a step back? Its so retro its ingenious! ... no, that sounds like the stupidest idea ever since retro gamers would already own a goddamn original xbox. I think a retro gamer would look a little further back than just the original XBOX... I consider myself a retro gamer and I actually consider the 6th generation of consoles (GCN, XBOX, and PS2) to be my cutoff date. In other news, I recently got a Sega Genesis. |
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Post by Metal on May 24, 2013 15:00:07 GMT
... no, that sounds like the stupidest idea ever since retro gamers would already own a goddamn original xbox. I think a retro gamer would look a little further back than just the original XBOX... I consider myself a retro gamer and I actually consider the 6th generation of consoles (GCN, XBOX, and PS2) to be my cutoff date. In other news, I recently got a Sega Genesis. what?! Sonic 3 ftw! Best game ever. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 15:43:13 GMT
I think a retro gamer would look a little further back than just the original XBOX... I consider myself a retro gamer and I actually consider the 6th generation of consoles (GCN, XBOX, and PS2) to be my cutoff date. In other news, I recently got a Sega Genesis. what?! Sonic 3 ftw! Best game ever. He didn't say anything about sonic 3... Anyway, why no further than the 6th generation of consoles? Your missing out on amazing experiences like the ongoing tales and persona series (Heck the Shin megami tensei series in general, anything Atlus makes) fire emblem, Luigi's mansion and its sequel, anything spike chunsoft makes on portables (Dangan Ronpa, Zero Escape), the recent sonic games which have actually been rather good, Anything by Aksys (Blazblue, guilty gear0, anything by platinum games like bayonetta and infinite space, the recent pokemon games which just get better and better, anything made by monolith soft, anything made by square enix that isn't final fantasy, nearly everything made by capcom which isn't resident evil or debateably their vs series, and you know what? Nintendo in general just continue to make good games. Also Suda 51, more specifically no more heroes. The batman arkham games in all of their overhyped glory are also pretty solid, too. The first two assassins creed games were also pretty cool, ubisoft is actually ok. I mean I hear that their recent rayman games were pretty retro in style. Oh, not to mention the indie scene which is apparently thriving right now, I only listed the AAA and AA industries right now. Retrogaming will never evolve, because you know the evolution is being done in current games. You've only got a finite experience and CoD doesn't represent even a fraction of the medium. Besides that, I've played a number of retro titles and the only ones I can say I've truly enjoyed to even the slightest degree were paper mario 64 and castlevania SoTN. Also, technically some dreamcast games which got remakes on the gamecube, like skies of arcadia and the sonic adventure games. 'Classics' such as Zelda OoT and Mario 64 are, personally, experiences I find similar to pulling teeth. Tedious and painful. Can't say that I had too much fun with the early sonic and mario games either. My opinions on retrogames themselves are just my opinion, I know, but the the fact that retrogaming is not evolving and that your restricting yourself unnecessarily is not opinion. I think your behavior is only really justified in my eyes is if you have a limited budget, which would be totally understanable. However that is not the impression I'm getting. |
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Post by Death Eye on May 24, 2013 16:46:14 GMT
what?! Sonic 3 ftw! Best game ever. He didn't say anything about sonic 3... Not specifically, but it's on the Genesis, so it's relevant. Yeah, there may be good games coming out these days, but at the same time there's the original 2D Mario games (and 64), the pre-06 Sonic games, most of the Kirby series, DKC1-3, every good Final Fantasy, Metroid and Super Metroid, all the good 2D LoZ games that aren't the upcoming one, the entire F-Zero series to date if you're in to that, and that's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head. Also he has a Wii so this entire section of the post is pointless. Retro gaming doesn't need to evolve because it already did. And that finite experience is a lot of stuff, as I've already listed. Mario 64's like pulling teeth and you liked Sunshine what Opinions. Also I notice the two you enjoyed are a Mario RPG and one of those explorational Castlevanias (I think?), have you played Super Mario RPG or I would also mention Metroid but that's substantially different from Castlevania since you're shooting stuff in Metroid rather than whipping it? As I said, retro gaming did its evolving already and he has a Wii. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 17:11:51 GMT
Sure retro gaming evolved already but its not going FURTHER and however much games there were before X cut off point there is only a finite amount, further reduced by which of those finite amount that you actually want to play. The wii doesn't evolve retro gaming, just makes it easier for those who didn't have the original consoles. For those who did, well, the wii is pointless. I guess the Wii U allows for off screen play, but yeah.
Mario sunshine, to me, has infitely more character than 64 from level design to... well, character. Each location feels like an actual place and I don't feel cold and lonely, there are more power ups thanks to flood (Yeah, hats I guess but I barely remember those) and the arduous process of getting all 120 OPTIONAL shine sprites is no more arduous than it was in M64.
I played mario RPG on the SNES and I actually quite enjoyed it but I never completed it, getting bored in the last dungeon. Wasn't bad but it doesn't do anything that the paper mario series doesn't do infinitely better. (Well, with the exception of Super on the wii of course but super makes up for it in other areas such as story, visuals, music, characters and cool level gimmicks)
I'm playing through super metroid on the VC right now actually. I'm not enjoying it as much as I did Castelvania but right now I can't really say I have a judgement on it.
The prime games were really, really boring to me though. Empty and lifeless, which I think is the main thing I dislike about retro games. Arguably the gameplay is more focused, but that means nothing to me if I'm only playing for playing sake, which not even OoT did for me and while I haven't played earlier zeldas, yeah they DEFINITELY would bore me within the first 5 minuets.
Now that I really think about it My favorite genre right now is the visual novel by far, oddly enough. RPGs too I guess since those are basically visual novels with grinding in them. And I don't mind a little mindless grind from time to time, since its like meditation and I can think to myself and reflect on the story, but I dislike it when the entire game feels that way. Visual novels have more flare than books thanks to visuals and music, not to mention they usually have little minigames to break up the text like the puzzles in professor layton or the escape sequences in virtues last reward, or the trial segments in dangan ronpa.
Sorry I went a little off topic...
Well, at least we can all agree that the XBONE sucks as a name and a console.
Well, apparently ONE person likes the name...
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Post by dillybar64 on May 24, 2013 17:45:00 GMT
Those are my cutoff points because I don't have any interest in the PS3 or 360's libraries.
I have a Wii, but while I have plenty of games for it I use it primarily for the Virtual Console.
I have a Wii, Gamecube, N64, NES, Genesis, Xbox, and PS2 (them's be just the consoles, I also have plenty of handhelds and a laptop) and have only explored a portion of the libraries of these things that I do own. On top of that, I want to get a Dreamcast as well.
There is plenty of fun to be had exploring what I already have, and that isn't even talking about re-playability.
Also, Sonic 3 is totally boss.
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Post by Metal on May 24, 2013 18:38:59 GMT
Well al sometimes all it takes is one person XD.
Also i have stated several(like twice?) Times that im waiting for more info on ps4, before i make a decision, but im leaning more toward xbox, because im about to move and in order to play games with friends i will need a reliable multiplayer experience. And since only xbox offers that at moment.... i think its obvious where ive gone with this arguement.
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Post by Death Eye on May 24, 2013 18:51:27 GMT
Sure retro gaming evolved already but its not going FURTHER and however much games there were before X cut off point there is only a finite amount, further reduced by which of those finite amount that you actually want to play. The wii doesn't evolve retro gaming, just makes it easier for those who didn't have the original consoles. For those who did, well, the wii is pointless. I guess the Wii U allows for off screen play, but yeah. It might not be going further, but the thing is it doesn't need to, that's kind of the point. People play retro games because they're good, not because they're new and innovative. Like the NSMB series. Aside from the unnecessary motion control gimmicks on the Wii and the simultaneous multiplayer, those games did nothing new, but people played them anyway because they were good. More varied gameplay I can't really argue with, but aside from that I don't quite get what you mean by places feeling like actual places and did you seriously just try to tell me Sunshine 100% completion is as arduous as 64? Don't you have to find about 240 blue coins with no clues whatsoever as to where they might be? And I think I've complained enough about that one pipe on that island you need a Yoshi to get into, but seriously, that's just stupid level design right there. Paper Mario, as good as it is, is simplistic by comparison to Mario RPG. Granted, I haven't actually played Mario RPG yet, but if I'm not mistaken it has actual stats beyond just attack, defense, HP, and FP, there's actual equipment involved beyond randomly finding a hammer you're required to get to progress anyway, your party members aren't completely immortal so you actually have to pay attention to them, you have more abilities, there are ways of healing that don't involve carrying around a Super Shroom... there's just more to it. I haven't played the Prime games, myself, but I'm pretty sure the whole "empty and lifeless" thing was the atmosphere they were going for. Also comparing OoT to the older games isn't a thing you should do. Though overall it seems like you're more inclined to play a game for the story, so you probably wouldn't like them. Not that that means I don't recommend that you try them, I'm not the best judge of other people's tastes, you might like them anyway, I don't know. Yeah, playing games for the story, exactly. And that would be the issue here, you seemingly prefer games to have deep stories and all that, I (and most retro gamers, I assume) focus more on the gameplay. |
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