Super Smash Bros 4 3DS and WiiU

[Stove]

Dec 28, 2014 23:57:55 GMT Indigo said:

Speed doesn't have reliable combos. Easier follow-ups, but able to be air dodged all the same. And that's only horizontally, he loses his aerial game, and becomes more predictable because of it (just block when th. If you're knocked off, it hinders your recovery. Since you can't do real combos, it does lower your overall damage if you spend a lot of time in it. Hitting more is good but the lack of damage adds up. It's a great art and probably his best offensively and approaching some characters, but it's not all about offense, and it's different for match-ups.

It has the least downsides really, but I find Jump is better for all-purpose. Still, Shulk is better when you make good use of all his arts to keep from being predictable.

Trust me though, his F-smash is easy to punish, and it's one of the changes many people have wanted, to make his F-smash safer on block if you perfectly spaced it.

Jump can't do Short Hopped Aerials well, so...eh. Agree to disagree, I guess.

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Just play a Shulk mirror match you two.

[Stove]

Dec 29, 2014 0:17:59 GMT @alberenza said:

Just play a Shulk mirror match you two.

That would require me to play on the 3DS.

[Stove]

*is a month late*
Apparently Japan made another tier list.

S: Diddy Kong
A+: Sheik, Yoshi, Zero Suit Samus, Mii Brawler
A: Lucario, Sonic, Fox
A-: Killager
B+: Rosalina&Luma, Wario
B: Ness, Pit
C+: Captain Falcon, R.O.B, Pac-Man, Luigi, Mii Gunner, Pikachu, Dedede, Greninja
C: Duck Hunt, Bowser, Mega Man, Mario, Little Mac, Dark Pit, Peach
D+: Jigglypuff, Meta Knight
D: Shulk, Toon Link, Bowser Jr
D-: Palutena, Robin, Falco, Donkey Kong, Mr. Game & Watch, Kirby;
E+: Ike, Wii Fit trainer, Link, Olimar, Zelda
E: Charizard, Marth, Dr. Mario, Ganondorf, Lucina, Samus
F: Mii Swordfighter

I'd agree with pretty much all of that, actually. The list got right a lot of things it didn't last time (Mii Sword I can safely say is the worst character, not Palutena. In addition, Diddy's placement and Mii Brawler's, who is basically LM with a good airgame, stunning recovery, and the one-inch punch.)
My only qualm with this is that Rosalina is too low. Sure, she got nerfed, but she's a great fighter with tons of safe options, a (MOSTLY) great recovery, and Luma, who can act as a meatshield, makes her dash attack cancelled grab insane, and offers a very disruptive defense option in star bits. Also Luma Shot is a great edgeguard, for Luna itself and that the shot KOs suprisingly early. Really, she didn't gain any real issues with the nerf since she can fight effectively even without Luma.

[Stove]

Well, I don't know how good I am with Pikachu, but he's definetly fun and I have all the tools I need to bash out everything I hate that bad FG players do. F-Smash stops Roll Spam cold, Thunder Jolt deals with projectile spammers, he can do some sick combos like:
B-reverse T-Jolt
Run up
Grab
Down Throw
Uptilt (x2)
Jump
Up Air
Then Quick Attack through them for around 30% Damage total.
He's fast, and his only problem is low KO ability.

[Indigo]

He's really fun. I used him a lot in Brawl but for some reason I always forget he exists this time around. And he got some good changes, too. I'm pretty sure he even has a grab > Thunder combo at the right percents, which looks really cool. I tried DIing it but I may have just been doing it wrong.

I also really like jumping off stage, stopping my momentum in the air, then fall with down-B. Effectively creates a huge vertical wall between the enemy and their recovery, and since the Thunder will connect with you, it bounces you up a bit for an easy recovery back.

Too bad his Skull Bash is still horrible. I don't get what its point is at all. Well, I find it useful when coming back down to the stage after launched since it's like a really good B-reversal momentum change thing. But as an attack it's not even worth it if you hit with it charged all the way, and is so badly punishable.

[Stove]

Dec 30, 2014 23:10:45 GMT Indigo said:

He's really fun. I used him a lot in Brawl but for some reason I always forget he exists this time around. And he got some good changes, too. I'm pretty sure he even has a grab > Thunder combo at the right percents, which looks really cool. I tried DIing it but I may have just been doing it wrong. - around 100% U-Throw to Thunder, yeah. It's un-DIable from what I've heard.

I also really like jumping off stage, stopping my momentum in the air, then fall with down-B. Effectively creates a huge vertical wall between the enemy and their recovery, and since the Thunder will connect with you, it bounces you up a bit for an easy recovery back. - Yep, that's fun.

Too bad his Skull Bash is still horrible. I don't get what its point is at all. Well, I find it useful when coming back down to the stage after launched since it's like a really good B-reversal momentum change thing. But as an attack it's not even worth it if you hit with it charged all the way, and is so badly punishable. - The custom versions are good (2 gives better recovery, 3 is a fast KO option) but yeah, normal Skull Bash is so bad.

Yeah, I used him some in Brawl too, but he was the character out of the 5 in the demo that I didn't care about at all. I finally pick him up again, and he's a ton of fun.
Too bad QAC is gone (except for off platforms.)

[VerdantShade]

I am curious, what kind of limits do Amiibo have on stats/equipment?

[Stove]

Jan 3, 2015 23:01:05 GMT VerdantShade said:

I am curious, what kind of limits do Amiibo have on stats/equipment?

I don't know. I don't give them equipment because it applies even with customs off and is absurdly unfair.
I'd say the max is +200 though.

EDIT:

[Stove]

Three of my mains are really close in battle amount on 3DS right now. It suprised me.
Mac: 139
Kirby: 138
Robin: 135
And then...
Pikachu: 9

To be fair, I mainly use Pikachu on Wii U, but still.

[Indigo]

As far as I remember, Shulk is around 400 (but I kinda stopped playing him), with Pit closing in. Kirby, Meta Knight, Palutena, and Robin are all around 100-150.

Anyway:

A lot of funny stuff. Around 1:50 I think it starts getting pretty hilarious.

[Stove]

[Stove]

Lythero +1

Mains: Jiggs, Captain Falcon, Robin.


This is why I actually posted though.

[Indigo]

Smash is much better in doubles... Wish that was easier to set up. There had to be a stock team For Glory where you could pair up with a friend.

Sonic's really the only character who can do that, though.

[Stove]

Feb 6, 2015 3:36:37 GMT Indigo said:

Smash is much better in doubles... Wish that was easier to set up. There had to be a stock team For Glory where you could pair up with a friend.

Sonic's really the only character who can do that, though.

Well, you know, except for the Mario brothers.

[Metal]

I need to get two copies and a wii u. One copy for each, so that in march (or sometime after that) i can get mewtwo XD hopefully his final smash is either 1. Psystrike or 2. Mega y

Since virtually no-one that i know of uses mega x, and that whole movie thing with the chick mewtwo having the ability to go mega y... Im hoping for mega y. But i guess time will tell. (Yea like you didnt expect this comment when they revealed mewtwo was coming in dlc... Right...)

Also from what ive played of the game, shulk and robin are cool.

Megaman is by far my new fav tho. And the mii fighters (to an extent.) other than a few final smashes i would have changed (like idk blue falcon) it overall was the improvements i felt brawl needed. Tho i do miss squirtle /:

[Stove]

Feb 6, 2015 22:41:56 GMT Metal said:

I need to get two copies and a wii u. One copy for each, so that in march (or sometime after that) i can get mewtwo XD hopefully his final smash is either 1. Psystrike or 2. Mega y

Since virtually no-one that i know of uses mega x, and that whole movie thing with the chick mewtwo having the ability to go mega y... Im hoping for mega y. But i guess time will tell. (Yea like you didnt expect this comment when they revealed mewtwo was coming in dlc... Right...)

Also from what ive played of the game, shulk and robin are cool.

Megaman is by far my new fav tho. And the mii fighters (to an extent.) other than a few final smashes i would have changed (like idk blue falcon) it overall was the improvements i felt brawl needed. Tho i do miss squirtle /:

I was wondering if you'd post about Mewtwo. YOU HAPPY NOW?

I'm starting to buy into the whole "Diddy is the best" thing, but mostly now because it also seems like all of the ATs that I keep finding all benefit Diddy greatly. Corner slides (which he can do without a corner), JC Glide Toss (gives an easy F-Smash for kills), Perfect Pivots (can kill with uptilt), and then he has the D-Throw chains, a Fair that basically combines Jiggs FAir and BAir, a good BAir, a fast meteor, and the legendary Up-Air, which is strong, can combo into itself at low %s and apparently comes out at frame 3. that's faster than most characters jabs. And it's a KO move, a combo move, and has decent range. Like I mentioned before, Diddy has bananas which can give a free grab (which usually means a free UAir.), or if Jump-Canceled, a free FSmash. That FSmash kills pretty early too. DTilt is a combo tool with good range, FTilt has good range, peanuts have a nice arc, making them solid for edgeguarding, barrel cannon isn't the best recovery, but it works, and Monkey flip is the best command grab other than maybe Flame Choke.
Diddy is very good, probably the best character in the game. Is he broken? I still say no. Is he the next Meta Knight? Maybe. One thing is sure though; he's a seriously strong character.

[Metal]

Feb 9, 2015 1:17:20 GMT Stove said:

Feb 6, 2015 22:41:56 GMT Metal said:

I need to get two copies and a wii u. One copy for each, so that in march (or sometime after that) i can get mewtwo XD hopefully his final smash is either 1. Psystrike or 2. Mega y

Since virtually no-one that i know of uses mega x, and that whole movie thing with the chick mewtwo having the ability to go mega y... Im hoping for mega y. But i guess time will tell. (Yea like you didnt expect this comment when they revealed mewtwo was coming in dlc... Right...)

Also from what ive played of the game, shulk and robin are cool.

Megaman is by far my new fav tho. And the mii fighters (to an extent.) other than a few final smashes i would have changed (like idk blue falcon) it overall was the improvements i felt brawl needed. Tho i do miss squirtle /:

I was wondering if you'd post about Mewtwo. YOU HAPPY NOW?

I'm starting to buy into the whole "Diddy is the best" thing, but mostly now because it also seems like all of the ATs that I keep finding all benefit Diddy greatly. Corner slides (which he can do without a corner), JC Glide Toss (gives an easy F-Smash for kills), Perfect Pivots (can kill with uptilt), and then he has the D-Throw chains, a Fair that basically combines Jiggs FAir and BAir, a good BAir, a fast meteor, and the legendary Up-Air, which is strong, can combo into itself at low %s and apparently comes out at frame 3. that's faster than most characters jabs. And it's a KO move, a combo move, and has decent range. Like I mentioned before, Diddy has bananas which can give a free grab (which usually means a free UAir.), or if Jump-Canceled, a free FSmash. That FSmash kills pretty early too. DTilt is a combo tool with good range, FTilt has good range, peanuts have a nice arc, making them solid for edgeguarding, barrel cannon isn't the best recovery, but it works, and Monkey flip is the best command grab other than maybe Flame Choke.
Diddy is very good, probably the best character in the game. Is he broken? I still say no. Is he the next Meta Knight? Maybe. One thing is sure though; he's a seriously strong character.

Yep supper happy XD its about time he made a come back XD

Diddy is the new diddy, with upgrades XD

[Stove]

Nairo best Pit, 10/10

[Indigo]

Dat match-winning hit.





I feel for Nairo, Pit's recovery is just so sad. The majority of his battle was trying to get back on stage.