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Post by Dogmantra on Jun 2, 2011 16:45:33 GMT
Answer: Cyber Ninja would win. No debate. But we're not accounting for the human error of picking a borg that's not Cyber Ninja in a match you 100% want to win. ;) |
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Post by Frozazen on Jun 5, 2011 5:09:58 GMT
dude, you all keep on talking about the "window of opportunity" with cyber ninja landing.
samurai shogun also has a window of opportunity, and its MUCH bigger. once you see that flash of light coming from his back, it gives the cyber ninja a heads up for the attack. then samurai shogun has to raise his arms up into the air, before coming down with the shogun slash.
with cyber ninja, once he uses up his boost jump, it really is only a split second before he sidesteps on the ground and starts boosting around again, all the while spamming lazors. of course both borgs are air-dashing around, but shogun does not have spamming moves, and while he is looking for the opportunity to strike, cyber ninja may will whittle down his HP, because those little beams of his are actually pretty easy to aim, and those things reach their target pretty fast, because the cyber ninja will be flying around at mid-range or so, because obviously flying too far would make all of the bullets miss.
with samurai shogun, he is air-dashing around, stalling until he sees a mistake in cyber ninja's movements. he cannot do the X slash, because that would create lag that would end up in cyber ninja's favor. also samurai shogun must dash around continuously, so as to not get hit by the little lazors shot by the tiny white dot flying around the map. to beat cybe ninja samurai shogun's best bet would be to get up close, as cyber ninja's close-range moves are less than satisfactory: the ground moves have WAY too much lag, and the flying side kick he does puts him in danger of getting slashed. assuming you do start hitting the cyber ninja with the slashes, then it would be easier to knock him down to use the shogun slash. the thing is, cyber ninja moves WAY to quickly to pull this off easily, and plus you'd have to use more than one shogun slash, because the only way it would be a "rape slash" would be if you were on the same horizontal plane as cyber ninja, and the shogun slash was going horizontal as well, but as you're in the air, the shogun slash will be pointing into the ground, so the target will not get hit as much, thus not being a "rape slash".
now that i think about it, all cyber ninja has to do is dash around on the ground, so that neutralizes the shogun slash, and still shoot the little beams, doing bits of damage until shogun ultimately dies. unfortunately, samurai shogun will have a much easier time dodging the bullets since cyber ninja's firing rate is dramatically decreased when he's dashing along the ground. cyber ninja can't use his shuriken, because those are too slow, and easy to dodge, so samurai shogun will just let a shogun slash loose and that would be the end of our almighty type borg.
so now we are back to air-dashing around in the air, with cyber ninja keeping his distance and samurai shogun trying to get closer and closer each time. i can't stress enough how much faster cyber ninja is compared to samurai shogun, so although it is true that he would be facing away from shogun when he is keeping his distance, he can easily go in a full circle, shooting as he moves sideways, since cyber ninja will not move directly away from shogun, but at an angle that permits him to move sideways and away at the same time, letting him shoot like normal.
all in all, i believe that cyber ninja will be the victor, as the bits of damage done by his beams will add up, killing shogun while still keeping his distance.
*this analysis was done on the assumption that the battle takes place at blue/red death base, a flat area with few obstacles and a large amount of room to run around. adding the third dimension of height, in places such as Kou's house or Mana's house, the battle will take indefinitely longer, and samurai shogun will have a much harder time keeping up anyways, so red/blue death base would be the ideal map to use samurai shogun, where the flat terrain gives more opportunities to pull off the "rape slash"
thank you for your time, i had fun writing this and thinking about this ;D
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Post by shadowbite on Jun 6, 2011 5:46:58 GMT
Then why isn't the match Cyber Ninja vs Cyber Ninja? Answer: Cyber Ninja would win. No debate. Cyber Ninja does stand a chance though |
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Post by Dyrozix on Jun 6, 2011 7:19:31 GMT
now here's my logic lets goto the base forms of these characters Normal ninja vs normal samurai the normal samurai is now twice the ninja so the game intended for samurai to be better but! i have found that using a normal ninja alot you can basically be a Ninja and basicall survive idk the great dragon parade with 3 normal ninja -and a revolver gunman- where as the samurai is slow and strong now let's say they stood still and they were each allowed to hit each other once! the samurai would deal more damage even without the -haha- Rape Slash the Cross cut is just about as strong and the quad energy stars plus the Cyber ninja also is a Cyber<---- not a Shogun think titles people so let's think Cyber Samurai vs Cyber Ninja Billy Wins hands down another useless large post from Dyrozix  |
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Post by Frozazen on Jun 6, 2011 15:22:38 GMT
haha i was actually trying to figure out what logic you were using in that what? standing still? what kind of silly idea is this? :3 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2011 23:54:18 GMT
I would have to say cyber ninja, even though I prefer samurai shogun..cuber ninja's speed will probably save him.
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Post by dillybar64 on Jun 7, 2011 0:20:41 GMT
now here's my logic lets goto the base forms of these characters Normal ninja vs normal samurai the normal samurai is now twice the ninja so the game intended for samurai to be better but! i have found that using a normal ninja alot you can basically be a Ninja and basicall survive idk the great dragon parade with 3 normal ninja -and a revolver gunman- where as the samurai is slow and strong now let's say they stood still and they were each allowed to hit each other once! the samurai would deal more damage even without the -haha- Rape Slash the Cross cut is just about as strong and the quad energy stars plus the Cyber ninja also is a Cyber<---- not a Shogun think titles people so let's think Cyber Samurai vs Cyber Ninja Billy Wins hands down another useless large post from Dyrozix You did not answer the question. You changed up the battle between Samurai Shogun and Cyber Ninja to be one between Cyber Ninja and Cyber Samurai. This is not what we are debating. Back on topic. So far we have Thinks Cyber Ninja will winwigout Mad'n'Harry dillybar64 Dogmantra Alberenza njayhuang Pirate The Regal RP Mod coolfreez vegaszebra Thinks Samurai Shogun will win.kirbonicman Beam Gunner 73 Admin Posted on this thread but didn't really seem to lean either wayshadowbite The members have spoken
Cyber Ninja wins by a mile. |
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Post by Badog Vi Britania on Jun 7, 2011 22:33:38 GMT
cyber ninja goes trollololol anyways so lol
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Post by Death Eye on Jun 7, 2011 22:36:56 GMT
You mean to tell me I haven't posted here yet?
I feel like the Shogun could probably win.
Of course, that's when you take into account human error, so...
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Post by Dyrozix on Jun 8, 2011 9:35:53 GMT
I say
Samurai Shogun wins
in a game of single hit most damage
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Post by Dogmantra on Jun 8, 2011 10:50:16 GMT
Of course, that's when you take into account human error, so... Then obviously Death Borg Alpha beats Galactic Emperor. |
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Post by Death Eye on Jun 8, 2011 13:10:35 GMT
Of course, that's when you take into account human error, so... Then obviously Death Borg Alpha beats Galactic Emperor. Nah, Galactic Emperor kills people automatically when he takes damage. No human error involved there. |
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Post by dillybar64 on Jun 8, 2011 16:04:08 GMT
I say Samurai Shogun wins in a game of single hit most damage Yes, but this question is not about "single hit most damage", we are trying to debate who would win in a legitimate match. Of course S.S. wins in a game of "single hit most damage" he has rape slash C.N. doesn't. That is why we aren't debating that we are talking about a full match. |
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Post by Dogmantra on Jun 8, 2011 16:09:36 GMT
Of course S.S. wins in a game of "single hit most damage" he has rape slash C.N. doesn't. To be fair, if you count a hit as one ability, Cyber Ninja has bullstupid charge B attack. |
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Post by dillybar64 on Jun 8, 2011 17:59:55 GMT
Of course S.S. wins in a game of "single hit most damage" he has rape slash C.N. doesn't. To be fair, if you count a hit as one ability, Cyber Ninja has bullstupid charge B attack. Which only AI's seem to be able to consecutively hit with. I have never met anyone who can actually get that attack to work as well as the AI's. Out of 5 people, no one can use that attack worth anything. But even if we could all use it perfectly for the sake of this match, it would still not hold a candle to the "rape slash" |
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Post by Frozazen on Jun 10, 2011 20:58:20 GMT
i agree with dillybar. since both borgs have completely different battle styles, it would be unfair to calculate an outcome based solely on attack power alone. cyber ninja relies on blinding speed and spamming, shogun works off of getting that shogun slash through, and possibly using his swords a bit.
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