poke. platinum advice

[insanityscythe]

iv noticed a lot of Pokemon fans on this site and i really need some help with my current play on platinum. I have an eevee on my team and i am completely torn between evolving it into either a Glaceon or a Umbreon. Here are the pros and cons for each in my team

Glaceon- higher sp.atk witch is favorable for my style, has better moves, and i like glaceon's look a bit more. although i already have a ice type on my team (froslass) and i am not getting rid of it, and my eevee is a male witch dosent realy suit a glaceon

Umbreon- better suits a male, higher max health, and it would be the only dark type on my team and a great advantage against the psychic elite four. On the other hand it has higher def than atk and sp.atk witch goes against my battling style, and its moves (learned and t.m.) are mostly direct attacks witch really don't work for me as i forget to bring status curing items into battle and i don't use them well.

I would extremely appreciate it if you could tell me witch one would be better to have. ;D

[MeAmCryzor]

Well, Umbreons better at walling (i.e. is incredibly defensive) so I wouldn't really go with him for the elite four. But Glaceon isn't too good at special attacking compared to other eeveelutions.

To be honest, I'd go with either Espeon or Jolteon if you want something that hits hard.

Or Umbreon or Vaporeon if you want a defensive wall.

I can suggest sets for each if you like

It would help better if I knew the other members of your team though XD

[insanityscythe]

the rest of my team is torterra, milotic, vespiquen, froslass, and lucario (although was thinking of replacing lucario with a blissey or raichu). the reason i threw out vaporeon was because i already have milotic and i threw out jolteon because i already have one in my team in soul silver, and as for espeon.....im just not a fan of psychic types.

If you need to know my style, i usually build up my teams sp.atk and hp. for all my pokemon i tend to have one direct mid power attack, one range move with status effect, a lower power indirect move with more pp, and one high power indirect that usually needs me to miss a turn to recharge.

[dillybar64]

Glaceon, I would say Glaceon.
Even though you have a Froslass.
Ice is just so super excellent in the pokemon metagame.
You team sounds like it would benefit more from Umbreon though, and you sound like you know that, so I wonder why you are asking the question.
I would still say Glaceon though.
Of course, I am (obviously) biased so take what I am saying with a grain of salt.

[Deleted]

I'd say Umbreon, cause he looks cooler and because it is always best to have different types of pokemon in your party.

[Frozazen]

well you kind of really need a strategy for your team. unless all you're focusing on is in-game, just throwing out a wholoe bunch of mediocre pokemon will get you killed, whereas having each pokemon have a specific job in the team will almost always work out for the better. of course, you wouldn't want a pokemon that can't fight on it's own, but it's soo much better if you can figure out how to make them all work together.

if you want to use an eeveelution, then really there are umbreon, espeon, vaporeon and jolteon. the others aren't that good.

I use an umbreon, and cryzor is right about him being a wall. the most popular moveset is a toxic stall moveset, using mean look, protect, toxic, and wish. you have to go up against a bulky pokemon that heals itself every other turn, are badly poisoned, and can't escape. it may not be much your style, though, so either you get rid of the eevee or choose an espeon. or you could also use leafeon, since its attack stat isn't half bad, with leaff blade and all.

[insanityscythe]

thanks for the advice but im still back and forth. i really like glaceon as a pokemon better and i definitely like its moves better, but umbreon is better type based and has better defense. its a choice between game smarts and personal preference.........................................screw it, im going with glaceon and having my froslass have no ice type moves

well to keep the thread going, any advice on switching my lucario with a blissey or raichu?

[Deleted]

I'd keep Lucario cause he is awesome. If you have another fighting type, then you should get rid of him regardless if you don't have another steel type.

[Frozazen]

^ agreed. lucario is indeed cool.

if you wanted to have a GOOD pokemon, then yeah, Blissey's the way to go, since it has aromatherapy, seismic toss, thunder wave, and ice beam (classic blissey). this lets it be a wall against specials, heal your team, cripple your opponent, and have a move that does constant 100 each time. ice beam is kind of preferrence, and you could choose to opt for softboil for extra bulk to your team, or another special move.

of course, lucario is cool... can't forget to count for the coolness factor ;D

raichu... i assume you just like raichu, don't you?

[Deleted]

Why Raichu? Why not pikachu? I use pika instead of Raichu, cause pika's cute. and awesome. He helped me beat the elite four

[Frozazen]

maybe your pikachu just wanted to stay a pikachu, just like Ash's ;D

[thadudette]

I think you should keep Lucario, he's probably got better stats and move-pool than Blissey or Raichu. Of course Blissey gets annoying to other people, but if you have all the other guys on your team set for defense, you might be overdoing it with Blissey xP

And uh...I don't really know regarding the Eeveelutions *sneaks out of thread*

[Frozazen]

no wait, come back! darn it, she got away again....

i just noticed, but what's your moveset for Frosslass? if it's not going to have any ice-type moves, then i assume that you're going to use shadow ball? because frosslass is really defensive..... ONLY if you use hail. without it it's a piece of glass ready to get broken.

[MeAmCryzor]

^Actually, thats a really good point- if you're running Froslass and Glaceon, run hail on Froslass and give it an icy rock if you can. Due to their abilities this'll mean that both have their evasion increased by 20% It'll also mean that Glaceon's blizzard has its accuracy changed to 100%

So, what I'm saying is, I'd run;

Froslass@Icy Rock
-Hail
-Spikes/Thunder Wave
-Shadow ball
-Blizzard/Wake-up Slap/Thunder Wave/Toxic/Thunderbolt

Okay, so thats a lot of options. You definitely need Hail and Shadow Ball. Thunder Wave or Spikes is your personal preference - depending on whether you want to cripple one pokemon at a time or hurt each pokemon your opponent has. The last option is very tricky. Blizzard is an obvious choice since it gains STAB and has 100% accuracy in Hail. I'd say Wake-Up slap is another option because fighting is super-effective against all types that resist ghost, but its incredibly weak. Thunder Wave is for if you ran spikes earlier on, and Toxic is there for extra damage. Thunderbolt may seem an odd choice, but I was thinking that its a special move thats neutral to those types that resist ghost, and also might paralyse the foe.

I know you didn't ask for that, but thats what I'd do if you plan on having a non-attackive Froslass XD

As for Glaceon, theres only really one moveset you can have...

-Blizzard
-Shadow Ball
-Some other two moves......

Unfortunately, Glaceons movepool is actually suprisingly lackluster,,, I thought there were going to be more special moves than just blizzard and shadow ball but there just aren't. Signal Beam is an option, but you have to teach it via move tutor, so that sucks.... Water Pulse is a quite good move, but Waters so similar to Ice there's no point except for the possibility of confusion. Actually, you could run Substitute and Baton Pass, but that might be a bit risky tbh. You could also run hail again, if you want to, but thats a bit pointless. Hyper Beam might work well actually. Other than that, just the standard Rest/Double Team. Actually, that gives me an idea...

Glaceon
-Blizzard
-Shadow Ball/Signal Beam/Hyper Beam
-Shadow Ball/Signal Beam/Hyper Beam
-Double Team

In hail, this will actually be amazing... Have Froslass set up hail, then switch to this and use Double Team an amount of times. Then simply blast through opponents pokemon.

Unfortunately, Glaceon only shines through TMs though, and almost every move on that moveset is from a TM or from Tutoring.

So, yeah, you may not have asked for it...but those are my suggestions XD

[Frozazen]

if you really wanted to make a broken Frosslass, you run:

Confuse Ray
Thunder Wave
Double Team
Shadow Ball/Ice Beam/Blizzard

item: brightpowder/leftovers
nature: timid
EVs: SPEEEEEEEED

did you know that in the metagame that double team is banned? this is why. in a double battle, you send out Abomasnow and Frosslass, and troll the opponent with thunder wave, then confuse ray, and double team when you predict the switch. you will never get touched, since by the time you paralyze them and confuse them, you can double tem up to stage 6 evasion, if you haven't done so already, which in hail is almost impossible to touch.

but anyway, have you chosen whether to use lucario or not?

[insanityscythe]

wooow, that is a lot of move set ideas, and its not that its not they are not good , but i hate stalling with defensive moves and and using my time sapping the foes hp with weather moves and stat raising moves. although maybe im just being a noob here. truthfully ive been playing the games for a while now and im still just a mediocre player. ive actually never raised a pokemon to lv.100. i always get bored and and start a new file. the first time i played my sapphire i got my swampert to lv.91 and stupidly erased it. although i have had some triumphs like when i caught mewtwo in fire red (full hp, no status effect, and with a pokeball) then again it wasn't that big of of a victory.

oh, and actually when i said that was my team, i meant it was my CHOSEN team. right now i only have 5 badges, my torterra, and my eevee. this is the team i want to have by the time i reach the elite four. normally i would already have beaten them, but i missed a week of school and i have been getting caught up on work in my free time. Plus i want to raise each to at least lv.60 before the elite 4.

[Deleted]

You have one of those action replays, right? I want to borrow it if I didn't erase my pearl file yet.

Anyways, frosslass would be good to have hail since it won't have any other ice attacks and shadow ball is just awesome, so thunderbolt and spike would probably be the best for you.

[thadudette]

Feb 23, 2011 23:44:53 GMT Frozazen said:

did you know that in the metagame that double team is banned?

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! My poor Shuckle!

[Frozazen]

OH MY GOODNESS SHUCKLE JUST DOES NOT DIE.

with the highest base defense and sp. defense of all pokemon, he doesn't even need double team. there's this funny combo you can do on a double battle, too. have shuckle out, and make you partner have Power Swap, which switches the attack and defense of the target. so you power swap the shuckle, and he uses Gyro Ball. funniest thing evar.

[thadudette]

Feb 24, 2011 4:19:14 GMT Frozazen said:

OH MY GOODNESS SHUCKLE JUST DOES NOT DIE.

with the highest base defense and sp. defense of all pokemon, he doesn't even need double team. there's this funny combo you can do on a double battle, too. have shuckle out, and make you partner have Power Swap, which switches the attack and defense of the target. so you power swap the shuckle, and he uses Gyro Ball. funniest thing evar.

I've tried that Power Swap strategy before.
DON'T DO IT.[/i][/u][/size] It's just way too high risk for a return you could get much more easily if you're patient.
I thought you could only use Power Swap on yourself?