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Post by dillybar64 on Apr 29, 2013 4:56:23 GMT
I've been adding to the Gotcha Force wiki lately as a way of procrastinating on my final paper for British and American Romanticism and I noticed that there were no pages about the GF Commanders themselves. I know that the last few calls to renovate this wiki were fairly unsuccessful, but... like... seriously? They don't even have a page for Usagi? Also, I feel like these commander pages would really benefit from multiple contributors. Because these characters are so thinly established multiple impressions will be key when it comes to fleshing these pages out. if we can get a couple of people editing the pages for each commander, the com Either way, I made a page for Nekobe. I was thinking we could use it as a template of sorts. Do you notice anything missing? Suggestions for alternate ways we could lay these out? Lemme know what you think. gotchaforce.wikia.com/wiki/Nekobe |
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Post by Viroth on Apr 29, 2013 12:40:55 GMT
I'll see about helping edit any pages and / or adding content.
Going to go over the wiki and try to resolve any grammar issues.
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Post by dillybar64 on Apr 29, 2013 13:07:59 GMT
Going to go over the wiki and try to resolve any grammar issues. Oh crap, you are probably going to find quite a bit of those on the Nekobe page considering I wrote it last night around midnight... |
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Post by Viroth on Apr 29, 2013 13:43:01 GMT
I fixed a few of them. I'm reviewing the Wikipedia Manual of Style, so thus far I won't make some edits on it until I'm sure of how the sentence structure goes.
The Copy Man strategy section, specifically using him, needs some improvement and cleaning up though. Specifically all that info on "sailing".
Edit: I'm seeing many pages have very different methods of organization. There needs to be an official one set up.
For example, some such as Copy Man and Blue Striker have some semblance of division between official game info and personal opinion and analysis.
Barrier Girl on the other hand...
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Post by dillybar64 on Apr 29, 2013 13:48:46 GMT
I'm seeing many pages have very different methods of organization. There needs to be an official one set up.
For example, some such as Copy Man and Blue Striker have some semblance of division between official game info and personal opinion and analysis.
Barrier Girl on the other hand... I have only worked on: Blue Striker, Copy Man, Normal Knight, and Time Bomber. There are going to be many similarities between those. As I continue slowly editing the wiki I plan on getting most pages to conform to the template I have established in the pages I have worked on. |
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Post by Viroth on Apr 29, 2013 13:51:40 GMT
Alright. I'll go over those articles and check their grammar.
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Post by dillybar64 on Apr 29, 2013 13:56:05 GMT
Thanks  |
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Post by Viroth on Apr 29, 2013 14:06:48 GMT
Not proceeding on some changes because they're stylistic and I'd like to consult first.
Any major edits I'd make are in keeping with the general wiki style of formality and concise fluidity, which seems to clash greatly with many of the articles, including some of which you've edited / formed.
This would be specifically evident in the strategy sections. While I understand that everyone has their own style, to me it seems fairly unorganized and unruly to have colorful statements and language that, while paying homage to the game's style of description and how many fans express themselves in terms of strategy, it's relatively informal.
Simply put while many of the statements spread throughout the wiki are useful and true to most extents, the wording used is very casual and at times vague. Not sure if I should proceed into more or less attempting to create more formal text in accordance to the Manual of Style / general formality.
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Post by dillybar64 on Apr 29, 2013 14:25:38 GMT
Simply put while many of the statements spread throughout the wiki are useful and true to most extents, the wording used is very casual and at times vague. Vague? How so? Casual = bad? |
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Post by Stove on Apr 29, 2013 15:06:28 GMT
I'd love to help, and I'll try to get around to making a page for Kotaro, Kitsune, and Tsutomu.
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Post by Viroth on Apr 29, 2013 15:25:39 GMT
Simply put while many of the statements spread throughout the wiki are useful and true to most extents, the wording used is very casual and at times vague. Vague? How so? Casual = bad?
"At 500 points and with only 150 starting HP, Barrier girl makes a pretty bad first impression. Fortunately first impressions don't mean much in Gotcha Force. She makes up for the lack of HP with her insane X move, Barrier."
Certainly most people that are fluent in the English language or native speakers can quickly pick up the intended message, though there is room for discrepancy. Not only that, terms such as the following, which I would deem casual, informal, imprecise, or vague, may confuse non-native speakers or those looking for specific details:
1. "At 500 points and with only 150 starting HP, Barrier girl makes a pretty bad first impression.". This sentence doesn't add any value to the article because it's subjective, personal, and depends on perspective. It is the sentence's author's belief that the given statistics make Barrier girl produce a "pretty bad (informal)" first impression. The sentence is subjective because of the perceived variety of borg costs and abilities in the game have different meanings for different people, such as how many experienced Gotcha Force player would equate "If 500 GF = 150 HP, this Borg probably has some ability to make it worth the cost", as well as anyone familiar with any semblance of how these sort of trade offs work in games, yet to a lesser extent, however it might apply for newer players not familiar with how the GF energy cost is "supposed" to be balanced (there are exceptions).
-Simply put: The sentence's casual format and subjective form gets in the way of concise and "to the point" style that I find is evident not only in the Wiki style but also highlighted in the Manual of Style. The sentence adds little more than a personal opinion on the subject and is mostly a waste of space in an article meant to provide a general unbiased view.
2. "Fortunately first impressions don't mean much in Gotcha Force.". Again the sentence is informal (don't mean much), it's vague (Why don't first impressions "mean much"? Why is it fortunate?), and it's subjective. First impressions are personal, yet also part of many borgs, aesthetically and statistically speaking. I can tell you my first impression of Normal Ninja's design led me to believe "A quick, evasive fighter". His relatively low cost also led me to believe he was probably fragile or expendable. Now let's take, say, Ultimate Cannon. Just looking at his cost alone in respect to other borgs would make one probably assume there's something about it that makes it worth such a large cost. Aesthetically, the borg's large cannon and relatively "armed to the teeth" look and relatively small "legs" probably leads one to assume it's a very strong, slow weapon. And Galactic Emperor. The first impression of a stage-sized borg that towers even fortresses in comparison is, in fact, very important. So, as said before, the sentence is subjective and doesn't add much value to the article, though perhaps in unison with the first sentence they can produce a similar sentence that gets the point across for all intended audiences without being vague or subjective (which tend to be a byproduct of casual sentences, as has been shown.)
3."She makes up for the lack of HP with her insane X move, Barrier." This sentence can be condensed into the others to form a solid description of why her stats are low and her cost so high, probably in the form of a single sentence using concise formal language. Instead two sentences of casual jargon have spawned yet a third sentence that is still imprecise. The most offending detail here is "her insane X move", most specifically the word "insane". Why is it insane? What does the author mean by insane? Is it "insane" to consider using it? Is it inconceivably useless? Is it mindbogglingly powerful? To the experienced Gotcha Force player, this sentence makes complete sense, but again, that makes it subjective and personal, and again impedes the path to concise and "to the point" description which a wiki is intended to provide.
The sentences, using a bit more formality and precision, can be rephrased into:
"Despite Barrier Girl's relatively significant cost of 500 GF energy and comparably low 150 hit points, the borg's X move, Barrier, is intended to compensate substantially for its inborn fragility."
Three sentences are now one, leaving more space for more important details, it's easier on the eyes, the language is precise, and personal opinion is reduced greatly. Does this make things clearer? |
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Post by dillybar64 on Apr 29, 2013 15:40:08 GMT
Vague? How so? Casual = bad? Oh yeah. There is a fair amount of stuff on here that sounds like it was slapped together by someone who just wanted to put something in the wiki for a borg they really like. We are going to have a lot of editing to do. I'd love to help, and I'll try to get around to making a page for Kotaro, Kitsune, and Tsutomu. Excellent!  Thank you so much for the assistance. |
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Post by Viroth on Apr 29, 2013 15:52:14 GMT
Oh yeah. There is a fair amount of stuff on here that sounds like it was slapped together by someone who just wanted to put something in the wiki for a borg they really like. We are going to have a lot of editing to do.
Whenever I get around to it anyhow. |
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Post by dillybar64 on Apr 29, 2013 21:48:55 GMT
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