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Post by Death Eye on May 18, 2013 5:04:55 GMT
What do you think is the hardest Borg to use to its full potential?
Seems like a pretty self-explanatory question, but just in case, look at Anubis Wing. It can just fly around as it pleases and kill just about anything by throwing a million Fire Bombs at it, and all you need to do aside from throw a million Fire Bombs is have enough dodging skill to not take 400 damage before you win. That is not an example.
Also since the only correct answers to this question are melee-based Death Borgs let's ignore Death Borgs so this could potentially be an actual discussion.
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Post by Indigo on May 18, 2013 6:10:24 GMT
I think Teleport Ninja has the potential to do great things with the right skills. It has pretty terrible bullets, but they're decent up close, but the thing is, obviously, its teleport. So many uses for it.
Among its uses is the ability to combat in the air, albeit very imperfectly. Gliding with upwards teleports lets it reach and stay on levels only flying borgs can reach, and for a good while.
I've been able to almost beat Sho's overpowered flying thing once with just a Teleport Ninja. It's a kinda below average borg, but between teleporting mobility, its lunge attack melee, and somewhat powerful teleport charge, I think Teleport Ninja is capable of great things, and is pretty versatile as a melee borg... It's just kinda weak.
Also, I once teleported onto an Eagle Jet's back.
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Post by Carigun on May 19, 2013 15:24:51 GMT
Dragons - i just cannot use them
Blade and Anubis - i just have no control when using them
Support Borgs - im just to much on the attack
Remote Beam Borgs - i dislike thouse beams (i also dislike anterias)
most girl borgs - (not battle girl and kei) they are a waste of gf energy
Death Borgs - wait we are not to mention them. (s---) i just die
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Post by Metal on May 19, 2013 18:38:16 GMT
Command girl. She is op at range but her lack of a melee attack makes her nearly impossible to use effectively.
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Post by dillybar64 on May 19, 2013 21:31:25 GMT
Command girl. She is op at range but her lack of a melee attack makes her nearly impossible to use effectively. I actually like that she doesn't have a melee attack. If I am using Beam Gunner and someone gets in close I am in trouble because my attack will change to his wimpy kick. The gunners/girl borgs that have melee attacks generally have crappy melee attacks. I like how I can always count on Command Girl to blow holes in the enemy no matter where they are. The fact that she can fire her gun at point blank range isn't a bad thing, and she is so speedy that borgs will have a hard time getting in melee range anyway. |
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Post by Death Eye on May 19, 2013 23:25:20 GMT
Dragons - i just cannot use them
Blade and Anubis - i just have no control when using them
Support Borgs - im just to much on the attack
Remote Beam Borgs - i dislike thouse beams (i also dislike anterias)
most girl borgs - (not battle girl and kei) they are a waste of gf energy
Death Borgs - wait we are not to mention them. (s---) i just die I'm not sure you understand the question. Partly because I may have phrased it poorly. This is about what takes the most skill to use, not what you personally have the most difficulty with. You may have trouble using Anubis Wing, but that doesn't mean it takes a lot of skill, since as I explained all you have to do is Fire Bomb the enemies to death before you take 400 damage. That's just a thing you have trouble with. Similarly, being too much on the attack isn't a reason why Support Borgs take more skill, that's a reason why you have trouble with them. Command girl. She is op at range but her lack of a melee attack makes her nearly impossible to use effectively. I'm also going to disagree with this. Because beam spam. You don't need a melee attack when you can just spam your face off. Granted, you might have trouble if you run into something faster that can melee, but even then you just have to do some short-range dodging. Either way you're better off than a Sword Knight, at least, since your attacks don't have lag. Which they would if there were melees. My input: Shadow Girl. Rather awkward air-dash, no range, low health. Probably screwed against anything with a ranged attack, still demands near-perfection against melee attackers. |
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Post by Stove on May 20, 2013 4:04:51 GMT
Any Tank borg that isn't named Panther Vehicle. Tank Borgs require strategic placement, outrun almost nothing, and unlike a noskill, immobile target like Sirius, can be interrupted by attacks that cause flinching or launching. Sirius can be slowed by attacks with many hits, but it can't be stopped from firing. Tank Borgs also lack the absurd health Sirius has. Like I said, Tank borgs require strategic placement. Their firepower is amazing (and Beam Tank's melee) but lower cost slow borgs like the tanks are often outclassed by their faster, lower HP brethren. ICBM is not lower cost, but it might as well be, they usually kill themselves with their own missiles.  I love Tanks, don't get me wrong, but they generally don't fit with the high-paced action that is Gotcha Force. Just to add more, I'll explain. Normal Tank has a solid X attack and a useless B attack. the X attack is very strong, but is easy to dodge if you're paying attention to it. Gatling Tank is absurdly strong, but its shots are slow. Titan Tank is pretty solid with its penetrating, fast beams and fortress demolishing javelins. Beam Tank is actually not at a disadvantage at melee as it can shred its opponent with its melee. its X beams also have very, very good homing. I'll just stop there. As you can see, Tank borgs really have fantastic power and range. their main disadvantages are that they're slow, lack the absurd hp of their slightly more expensive fortress brethren, and in a 1v1 can be difficult to use, not to mention that they are almost always the main target in team matches. Tank Borgs are strong but they're slow and require good placement. Not fitting for a game like Gotcha force. (Sure they work fine against CPUs, but against normal human players who know better I find that they are lacking.) |
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Post by dillybar64 on May 20, 2013 4:11:04 GMT
Any Tank borg that isn't named Panther Vehicle. As someone who plays a lot of tank borgs I have also noticed that they can't target enemies properly if they are on an incline. So going over bumps and up hills/stairs messes most of them up. |
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Post by Stove on May 20, 2013 4:30:03 GMT
Any Tank borg that isn't named Panther Vehicle. As someone who plays a lot of tank borgs I have also noticed that they can't target enemies properly if they are on an incline. So going over bumps and up hills/stairs messes most of them up. This is also a very valid point. |
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Post by Carigun on May 20, 2013 19:42:58 GMT
Dragons - i just cannot use them
Blade and Anubis - i just have no control when using them
Support Borgs - im just to much on the attack
Remote Beam Borgs - i dislike thouse beams (i also dislike anterias)
most girl borgs - (not battle girl and kei) they are a waste of gf energy
Death Borgs - wait we are not to mention them. (s---) i just die I'm not sure you understand the question. Partly because I may have phrased it poorly. This is about what takes the most skill to use, not what you personally have the most difficulty with. You may have trouble using Anubis Wing, but that doesn't mean it takes a lot of skill, since as I explained all you have to do is Fire Bomb the enemies to death before you take 400 damage. That's just a thing you have trouble with. Similarly, being too much on the attack isn't a reason why Support Borgs take more skill, that's a reason why you have trouble with them. |
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Post by Metal on May 20, 2013 20:43:41 GMT
/\ and not die by your own missile XD.
wing soldier, his melee is decent, but unless you strafe his b shot is about as useful as a spit wad gun. Which coincedentally would probably wreck shop on toy sized aliens.
Anyways, ring valkerie is the same way, only she is better because of her charge attack being an aoe esque move. still takes skill to play as either one decently tho.
Im going to say normal ninja, he is decent at the start of the game, but not ideal for like much if you cant dodge or close the gap for melee. His shurikens do barely anything against borgs with high hp, and the bombs air time before it hits makes it an easy dodge.
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Post by Death Eye on May 20, 2013 21:50:28 GMT
I'm not sure you understand the question. Partly because I may have phrased it poorly. This is about what takes the most skill to use, not what you personally have the most difficulty with. You may have trouble using Anubis Wing, but that doesn't mean it takes a lot of skill, since as I explained all you have to do is Fire Bomb the enemies to death before you take 400 damage. That's just a thing you have trouble with. Similarly, being too much on the attack isn't a reason why Support Borgs take more skill, that's a reason why you have trouble with them. The thing about that is, though, if you think they take a lot of skill then okay, it's an opinion question of sorts, that's fine, but your explanations of why you think that were kind of weird, to put it one way. Example: Support Borgs. Dodging everything until your partner needs healing or you need to put up another shield or whatever takes some patience and dodging skills, sure, but you probably could've phrased it better than saying you personally have trouble with the whole not running to your death thing, that just sounds like a personal problem rather than a statement about the particular set of skills the Borgs require. Another example: most Girl Borgs. "They are a waste of GF Energy." Okay, but why are they a waste of GF Energy? Basically, explain how much skill the Borgs require rather than how much trouble you personally have with them and your point(s) will be much less unclear. Can't really disagree with any of this, though. But what do you mean "you need to get three shots?" To equal a bunch of ICBMs? Oh, also Ultimate Cannon. Way too slow to dodge anything, way too dangerous for the enemies to not charge at, can't hit enemies at close range. You have to keep everything away with nothing but the Quaternary Beam and a boatload of upward-fired missiles and bullets, and even if you can do that you also have to kill any ranged attackers as fast as possible since you can't dodge anything. |
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Post by njayhuang on May 20, 2013 22:02:17 GMT
^1 ICBM Tank = 1000 GFE = 2.5 Death ICBMs
Anyway, I'd go with one of the knights with shields. I freaking hate fighting CPU knights with range borgs because they almost always turn perfectly and block all my shots. I guess the hardest one to use would have to be Normal Knight as his attacks have the least range.
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Post by Carigun on May 20, 2013 22:17:27 GMT
ok i dont know what to say here but all i done is listed a few borgs that i think needs a lot of skill. The thing about that is, though, if you think they take a lot of skill then okay, it's an opinion question of sorts, that's fine, but your explanations of why you think that were kind of weird, to put it one way. Example: Support Borgs. Dodging everything until your partner needs healing or you need to put up another shield or whatever takes some patience and dodging skills, sure, but you probably could've phrased it better than saying you personally have trouble with the whole not running to your death thing, that just sounds like a personal problem rather than a statement about the particular set of skills the Borgs require. Another example: most Girl Borgs. "They are a waste of GF Energy." Okay, but why are they a waste of GF Energy? Basically, explain how much skill the Borgs require rather than how much trouble you personally have with them and your point(s) will be much less unclear. Can't really disagree with any of this, though. But what do you mean "you need to get three shots?" To equal a bunch of ICBMs? Oh, also Ultimate Cannon. Way too slow to dodge anything, way too dangerous for the enemies to not charge at, can't hit enemies at close range. You have to keep everything away with nothing but the Quaternary Beam and a boatload of upward-fired missiles and bullets, and even if you can do that you also have to kill any ranged attackers as fast as possible since you can't dodge anything.
now why not mention Death Borgs cause they can easily do the work rate for there GFE (excpt Omegas and Omicon). i can kill Sasuke with Alpha 1 thats him over doing it i think. |
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Post by Death Eye on May 20, 2013 23:54:33 GMT
ok ok ok. most girl borgs have low hp and dose not offer much fire power to compensate. So you need to have some pretty good dodging skills to compensate for the low health. Fair enough. Well, sure, if you want to look at it mathematically. I personally look at it based more on just how much the Borg could potentially do in the right hands and what the right hands need to be able to do to pull that off. [/font][/font][/quote]Look at Death Borg Tau. Barely any HP, no ranged attack, and honestly his melees are pretty hard to combo with. You could technically bring down armies with it, but I don't need to tell you how unimaginably masterful (and probably lucky) you'd have to be to pull it off. And that's one of the better melee-based Death Borgs. Point being, this discussion would pretty much be all Death Borgs all the time if we were counting them because most of them take far more skill than anything else to use to their maximum potential. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 6:15:09 GMT
Dark Knight, from my experiences, has a lot of potential. Unlike Imperial Knight, Dark Knight can attack at long range and knock away a group of borgs that are too close for comfort. Tanks won't slow him down when his shield is angled correctly. The same could be said for almost any borg with a shield for that last one. Except, Dark Knight doesn't flinch from it.
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Post by thadudette on Jul 5, 2013 6:11:51 GMT
Dark Knight, from my experiences, has a lot of potential. Unlike Imperial Knight, Dark Knight can attack at long range and knock away a group of borgs that are too close for comfort. Tanks won't slow him down when his shield is angled correctly. The same could be said for almost any borg with a shield for that last one. Except, Dark Knight doesn't flinch from it. My vote totally goes to Dark Knight as well. With that annoying little invisible-sidestep thing, he might be able to avoid a lot of shots and slither up to a nice angle to attack, as Blackheart said, with long range OR melee. The trouble is just that mastering the art of sidestep-dodging is tedious. At least, too tedious for me to actually learn to do it right :3 And, well, being able to aim a direct hit with Death Bomb takes more skill than dropping it in a general area around the enemy ...  |
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Post by njayhuang on Jul 14, 2013 8:13:06 GMT
Also DK has that midair hover, although I can't think of any uses for standing completely still in midair. But at least he has that option available to him if he ever needs to use it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 6:50:26 GMT
Also, I wanted to say playing as Dark Knight, I usually just take my time and wait. Usually, in Gotcha Force, you'd want to be aggressive and spam. Dark Knight, I calmly approach the opponent on ground and get in close. I usually don't have fear doing this because shield logic. I find the patience approach for any knight with a shield better than the aggressive.
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Post by Frozazen on Sept 5, 2013 4:05:37 GMT
I actually think his brother Imperial Knight has a higher skill curve. His attacks are more versatile, with one button being the left sword and the other being the right sword. I think I remember hearing about how IK can keep up a continual barrage of slashes if you time his B and X correctly? That would be something useful that DK can't do. He also has projectile shots, if you use the X button to attack he generates shock waves like DK. Also if I remember correctly DK's invisible sidestep was just an animation, and didn't really do anything useful. Looks cool, though  Oh, also COPYMAN. This guy needs a LOT of team support to pull it off, but if you can, then Copyman would probably be one of the better borgs. To be able to turn your opponent's best borg against them for half the cost? It's like a Ditto, except you can't choose when he comes out, and you have to land a hit on the opponent first... Also I've been writing as if these borgs are in a competitive setting, so I tend to think that borgs that are just plain terrible don't have much of a skill ceiling, because there are other borgs with the same mechanics, but with better moves and better chance of winning. |
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