Why does no one like Panther Robot?

[Stove]

May 7, 2013 3:28:21 GMT Death Eye said:

May 7, 2013 3:24:33 GMT Stove said:

You could just get a gold Panther Vehicle...

And it would be more useful.

That's debatable, though it would certainly be easier due to it being a single crystal borg with an entire mission full of them (defeat the vehicle unit which contains about 10.)

[dillybar64]

May 7, 2013 4:31:48 GMT Stove said:

May 7, 2013 3:28:21 GMT Death Eye said:

And it would be more useful.

That's debatable, though it would certainly be easier due to it being a single crystal borg with an entire mission full of them (defeat the vehicle unit which contains about 10.)

I think the question we need to answer is: which one is cooler?
A pimped out ride?
Or a pimp robot that turns into a car?

[Stove]

May 7, 2013 14:00:28 GMT dillybar64 said:

May 7, 2013 4:31:48 GMT Stove said:

That's debatable, though it would certainly be easier due to it being a single crystal borg with an entire mission full of them (defeat the vehicle unit which contains about 10.)

I think the question we need to answer is: which one is cooler?
A pimped out ride?
Or a pimp robot that turns into a car?

Robot.

[Frozazen]

^ agreed.

I like Panther Vehicle's speed and slim design, plus the beams that he shoots. Panther robot's robot form is fun to use, but it's hard to maneuver around with just the vehicle mode. Eagle jet has beams, tonfa, and can fly.

I like Panther robot as a borg, but not as a warrior. I really like his robot form design for some reason.

[dillybar64]

I like how it looks like he has a crown.

[Metal]

I think we have forgotten proto panther in the whole robot vs vehicle vs transformer debacle.

[Stove]

May 8, 2013 2:59:48 GMT Frozazen said:

^ agreed.

I like Panther Vehicle's speed and slim design, plus the beams that he shoots. Panther robot's robot form is fun to use, but it's hard to maneuver around with just the vehicle mode. Eagle jet has beams, tonfa, and can fly.

I like Panther robot as a borg, but not as a warrior. I really like his robot form design for some reason.

How does Eagle come into play here? Besides, eagle's beams suck in plane mode. Plane mode is only to move fast or fight other air borgs.

And no we haven't metal. DE has already mentioned him.

[PandaBrady]

I've never been a fan of using the giant formers (my name for them) in story, as they are unwieldy to my play style. Though my favorite it the Titan. I usually go with Ninjas, Samurais, Knights, and Girl Borgs.

[Frozazen]

May 9, 2013 12:11:49 GMT Stove said:

May 8, 2013 2:59:48 GMT Frozazen said:

^ agreed.

I like Panther Vehicle's speed and slim design, plus the beams that he shoots. Panther robot's robot form is fun to use, but it's hard to maneuver around with just the vehicle mode. Eagle jet has beams, tonfa, and can fly.

I like Panther robot as a borg, but not as a warrior. I really like his robot form design for some reason.

How does Eagle come into play here? Besides, eagle's beams suck in plane mode. Plane mode is only to move fast or fight other air borgs.

And no we haven't metal. DE has already mentioned him.

I was just doing a comparison, and Eagle Robot and Panther Robot can do the same thing. It's just that Eagle Robot can do everything better (and fights plaaanes!)

Oh woops, I see I put Eagle JET instead of Robot. well that's embarassing haha
but yeah Jet can maneuver well, while Robot fights. That's hardly something that panther robot can do. I think that Panther Robot should stay in his robot form, because transforming seems like it would waste a lot of time. That is, unless the vehicle form can dodge something the robot form can't.

[Stove]

The vehicle form is still quick. If anything, Panther should be using the vehicle form more. Only reasons to switch to robot are meleeing, higher upwards boost, and wheel attack.

[dillybar64]

May 14, 2013 22:31:21 GMT Stove said:

The vehicle form is still quick. If anything, Panther should be using the vehicle form more. Only reasons to switch to robot are meleeing, higher upwards boost, and wheel attack.

I essentially play him like he is a tankier Panther Vehicle that kicks borgs when they get too close.

[Frozazen]

May 14, 2013 22:31:21 GMT Stove said:

The vehicle form is still quick. If anything, Panther should be using the vehicle form more. Only reasons to switch to robot are meleeing, higher upwards boost, and wheel attack.

That's very true. I guess the only things I don't like about the vehicle form is that it can't dash constantly, meaning that you'd have a harder time dodging beam spam. Also SA beams can lock in on a borg moving smoothly, but that's not too much of a problem since all you have to do is dash once.

[Deleted]

What Panther lacks in attack strength, I've seen he makes up for in speed and agility. Perhaps that's just me, though.

[Spike]

May 7, 2013 3:28:21 GMT Death Eye said:

May 7, 2013 3:24:33 GMT Stove said:

You could just get a gold Panther Vehicle...

And it would be more useful.

You mean like mine?:


Anyway, not to seem like I'm bumping this just for sake of mentioning that-
Because I totally am not

I was lurking the internet and I came across this:

Cuz' I came to a conclusion~
(At least, the way I see it)

So lately I've been fooling around with Panther Vehicle...
Panther Vehicle is a very nimble Borg and can result in a very effective spammer, due to it's speed and fire power. Vehicle also makes very short and precise dodges which let you instantly go from 1 direction to another, provided, your winning to dash in those direction, and doesn't let you loose any momentum when your attacking with it. Yes, Panther Vehicle can hover n' junk; Panther Vehicle doesn't need any of this, as your relying purely on it's agile movements to get your job done.
PANTHER VEHICLE HAS A FATAL FLAW(Though, "fatal" is an exaggeration)
Panther Vehicle is a tank; Firepower is what Tank Borgs rely on. Panther Vehicle's beam attack is going to be your main method of attack, as the vulcan is mediocre.
Panther's reloading, is it's own flaw; The beam attack only really has like 3 shots, before it has to reload. Without a means to defending it's self effectively, it's just riding around without any proper defense.
Reason why I say the vulcan is useless, is because you need to make all of your vulcan shots hit a target, before it knocks it back. The beam will do this, instantly. This lets it spam efficiently without any worry anything getting that close to it. Yes, you can use the vulcan, but your wanting to rely more on it's beam attack, for a better defense and offense.
What does this have to do with Panther Robot?
Panther Robot fixes Vehicle's flaw
Instead of waiting to reload, he has a charge attack to do the same beam.
This removes the issue of having to conserve beam attacks with Vehicle, and lets you shoot them more at a constant rate. Yes, it does less damage then Vehicle, but lets look at the trade off; Less damage, for basically infinite ammo/more efficiency + 250 more HP.
The bonus HP also lets Robot lurk in his vehicle mode for a long period of time, and is more forgiving then vehicle if you take damage, because it can let you take a few hits and keep on fighting. The benefit of this, is that you can also roam around as his larger robot mode, if ever need to melee anything and cover more ground on a larger bases.

Yes, I'm being silly for saying reloading is a flaw, but with a Borg like Panther Vehicle, it's crucial to it's overall performance. Plus, Vehicle has a slow-ish reload, and contradicts with it's speed concept, and doesn't let it preform as well as it should.

tl;dr - Panther Robot gives you a superior Panther Vehicle, then the original Panther Vehicle, for only about 400 more.

This seems pretty hilarious considering the fact he mentions that you literally are using Robot for the sake of having a Vehicle with, basically, infinite ammo.

[njayhuang]

Been using Panther Robot a bit lately and here's basically what I found.

Eye bullets suck if you're trying shoot while moving in the air: if you try to shoot while air-dashing sideways, he'll shoot in the direction you're facing; if you're too high, the bullets won't aim down. So I've had to play on the ground a bit and found out his neck actually turns to face the target within a certain range of angles. Wheel throw is mediocre, but does allow you to attack from above. And it becomes huge after going through a power scope, which I always try to do if there's a Jet Hero in the battle.

His standing melee (double yoyo tires) is awkward to use and leaves you vulnerable if you miss, but if it hits it combos straight into 2 powerful sword swipes. Oh, and sometimes the yoyo can lock on to borgs above you. Dash attack isn't as powerful as the 3-hit standing combo but its speed and homing make it much more reliable to land a hit. The problem is that the dash attack is aimed at the ground so it'll miss jumping targets.

His aerial melee (backflip) is great. Comes out quick, is quite powerful if all the hits connect, and has a lot of knockback. The air-dash melee (sword swipe) is like the opposite. It has a bit of a delay before it swings, does less damage, and has almost no knockback. The good thing about it is that it's one of those attacks that can combo into more of itself, or into a backflip.

Overall not horrible; he just has to get up close to shine. But we all know how well melee goes in Gotcha Force. It's harder to avoid damage with the large hitbox, and being melee-centric means I'm putting myself into a lot of risky situations when attacking. I always feel like I'm losing HP at a faster rate than I would like, and that I could be doing so much more with 800 GF energy.

[Indigo]

Panther Robot's really cool. His alt color is also pretty cool. Anyway, he's kind of a whacky giant machine. First of all... Are his bullets really eye bullets? It's stirring the mecha blood in me... I'm not saying anyone's wrong, but these borgs are based on classic super robots, and head vulcans are a common mecha thing, usually hidden somewhere near the forehead or the sides. I can't confirm anything now, but I want to assume it uses head vulcans (especially as they're renown for being weak, tiny bullets that aren't very practical) and not eye bullets. And even if that's the case, I'll just assume they were too lazy to have guns on the head for the animation.

Well, I think a lot of times people kinda lump indirect usefulness and uselessness together... Maybe I try to scavenge for good in the bad, but I think Panther Robot's pretty good. The vulcans are weak but help an approach and gets enemies to move. The wheels have nice power and homing, the lag doesn't matter a lot besides being outnumbered, because you either hit or they dodge away from you. His melee is one of a kind, with that range. It's slow and somewhat narrow, but the fact stands that he's a huge robot that even further extends his large-scale range.

And the vehicle mode is a car, not a tank... Its shots aren't amazing, but they work, and it's still a giant machine borg moving around that fast with a smaller hitbox, and a rotating turret. If nothing else, the mobility it grants alone is nothing to be overlooked.

Other giant machines may have better offenses, but Panther Robot definitely has an edge of adaptability and utility. Though maybe second to Eagle Robot... Well, that'd be an interesting battle on second thought. Panther has the tools to compete honestly, and I think the yoyo melee can even hit the jet mode if it tries to swoop with melee?

They're kinda like kings of land and sky...

[Metal]

All he needs is a missile launcher on his shoulder and he is transformers g1 hound. *btw hound was generally useless *

Anywho i have fun playing him sometimes. I feel that the jetformers have more use for me tho.

[Death Eye]

Dec 8, 2013 9:10:34 GMT Indigo said:

Are his bullets really eye bullets? It's stirring the mecha blood in me... I'm not saying anyone's wrong, but these borgs are based on classic super robots, and head vulcans are a common mecha thing, usually hidden somewhere near the forehead or the sides. I can't confirm anything now, but I want to assume it uses head vulcans (especially as they're renown for being weak, tiny bullets that aren't very practical) and not eye bullets. And even if that's the case, I'll just assume they were too lazy to have guns on the head for the animation.

That's probably what they are, actually. Especially since they call it the Panther Vulcan.

Also thanks for making that post, I wanted to get file sharing between my computers working anyway and running GF in Dolphin to take a screenshot of Panther Robot's face is just the motivation I needed.

[njayhuang]

Dec 9, 2013 0:09:09 GMT Death Eye said:

Dec 8, 2013 9:10:34 GMT Indigo said:

Are his bullets really eye bullets? It's stirring the mecha blood in me... I'm not saying anyone's wrong, but these borgs are based on classic super robots, and head vulcans are a common mecha thing, usually hidden somewhere near the forehead or the sides. I can't confirm anything now, but I want to assume it uses head vulcans (especially as they're renown for being weak, tiny bullets that aren't very practical) and not eye bullets. And even if that's the case, I'll just assume they were too lazy to have guns on the head for the animation.

That's probably what they are, actually. Especially since they call it the Panther Vulcan.

Also thanks for making that post, I wanted to get file sharing between my computers working anyway and running GF in Dolphin to take a screenshot of Panther Robot's face is just the motivation I needed.

I actually never noticed those. Blame it on Gotcha's 3rd person view and me not being familiar with mecha tropes. And on that note, Red and Mars probably don't have eye lasers either. I just noticed that they all have rather conspicuous cannon holes in their foreheads.

[Metal]

Dec 9, 2013 1:01:52 GMT njayhuang said:

Dec 9, 2013 0:09:09 GMT Death Eye said:

That's probably what they are, actually. Especially since they call it the Panther Vulcan.

Also thanks for making that post, I wanted to get file sharing between my computers working anyway and running GF in Dolphin to take a screenshot of Panther Robot's face is just the motivation I needed.

I actually never noticed those. Blame it on Gotcha's 3rd person view and me not being familiar with mecha tropes. And on that note, Red and Mars probably don't have eye lasers either. I just noticed that they all have rather conspicuous cannon holes in their foreheads.

Eh the titan series robots even have little head guns pretty sure they are supposed to be vulcan guns.