Most underpriced borg =?

[dillybar64]

As the title of the thread states, I am wondering who you think is the most under priced/cost effective borg.
Personally, I think it is the Blue/Orange Strikers. But that is simply because once I booted up the Vs Combine Machine Borgs match (the loooong one halfway through the game. Not the short version of the level before the Galactic Emperor) and ended up laying waste to that whole level without losing my plane.
Best 200 GFEnergy I ever spent.
Since then my planes have hit level 10 and are capable of even stupider things.




Who do you guys think takes this cake?

[Carigun]

Apr 21, 2013 21:18:23 GMT dillybar64 said:

As the title of the thread states, I am wondering who you think is the most under priced/cost effective borg.
Personally, I think it is the Blue/Orange Strikers. But that is simply because once I booted up the Vs Combine Machine Borgs match (the loooong one halfway through the game. Not the short version of the level before the Galactic Emperor) and ended up laying waste to that whole level without losing my plane.
Best 200 GFEnergy I ever spent.
Since then my planes have hit level 10 and are capable of even stupider things.

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Who do you guys think takes this cake?

Join the Air Borg appreciation society... ok I like Blue more than Orange as it has missiles which are a really nice feature to go with the charge cannon. the napalms are not that good or accurate.

[dillybar64]

Apr 21, 2013 21:33:15 GMT Carigun said:

Apr 21, 2013 21:18:23 GMT dillybar64 said:

As the title of the thread states, I am wondering who you think is the most under priced/cost effective borg.
Personally, I think it is the Blue/Orange Strikers. But that is simply because once I booted up the Vs Combine Machine Borgs match (the loooong one halfway through the game. Not the short version of the level before the Galactic Emperor) and ended up laying waste to that whole level without losing my plane.
Best 200 GFEnergy I ever spent.
Since then my planes have hit level 10 and are capable of even stupider things.

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Who do you guys think takes this cake?

Join the Air Borg appreciation society...

Outside of the Strikers and Red Attacker I have a hard time really getting behind any of them.
I really wanna like Carrier Helicopter, but...

[Death Eye]

The obvious answer here is Death Borg Sigma II because obscene speed and 12 beams per second when you're not trying.
But I'm going to be weird and say Flame Dragon.
"But that's, like, the 5th most expensive thing in the game!"
Yes, but if you know what you're doing the only things that have a decent chance of killing it are any combination of large Machines, Fortresses, Death ICBMs, other Dragons, and impossibly large armies of anything else in the game. 1500 GFE for what typically amounts to an instant-win button.

[njayhuang]

Fighter planes and Sigma II already said? I guess I'll finish the obvious trifecta by saying G Red. Beam spam abilities, powerful melee combos, and if all else fails you can hide behind an object and spam charge B.

All for 300 GF energy. To put it in perspective, some other borgs at the 300 GF energy level are Bug Witch, Poison Worm, and Arrow Ninja.

[Carigun]

Underpriced borgs list

1. Death Ark (sort of cheap, high fire power and high hp) (shame the main cannon has to fire later than you would like) (just dont rely on Max Shot)
2. Sirius (sort of cheap, high fire power and high hp) (shame the main cannon has to fire later than you would like) (just dont rely on Max Shot)
3. Anterius (has 10 jets, power shots, bags of HP and sort of cheap) (shame the main cannon has to fire later than you would like)
4. Beam Saturlite (is the mini Death Saucer but ideal for Sho)
5. Death Saucer (Sort of cheap, lots of hp, good fire power and can kill GE on its own)
6. Susake (Cheap, Good HP and Reasonable attacking force)
7. Blue Striker (the ideal jet and its the 2nd cheapest. Mu is about 60)
8. Death ICBM (just as its the fastest way out of a hero fight)
9. Beam Gunner (id be happy if they put 750 on it) (bye bye Kei)
10. Billy (needs a cowboy hat and a stick in its mouth and will never be beaten as coolest borg in the game award)

[dillybar64]

I would say Slow Valkyrie as well.
She is able to severely disrupt whatever team she is going against while providing aerial support, all for only 350.
Still working on getting me a silhouette version.

[Stove]

I knew Sigma 2 would be said. However, in terms of the sigmas, sigma 1 is more efficient really, due to the fact they are 80 points cheaper and can do just as much damage as sigma 2 over time, and has the same dodging ability. So Sigma 1.
Gold Hero is another obvious mention, as is any fortress borg except GE.
Gonna agree with DE on Flame Dragon; for 1500 points you can decimate anything.
Sasuke's a big one too.
Agreeing with Slow Valkrie; ESPECIALLY vs Dragons. I've managed Dragon's Den with a slow valkrie before.
Most underpriced for me has to go to Death Borg Omicron though.
Jump, Air Dash repeatedly, hit an opponent once with your attack, and this battle is instantly over. Just keep chaining while air dashing. Can juggle 2 opponents with ease too. He's quite bulky for a death borg too, with unstoppable power, for the mere cost of 350.

[dillybar64]

I am gonna say that Cyber Girl Hyper deserves a place in this thread.
I frequently solo missions with just her. Even late game missions are no problem with no ally if I have her at the front of my team. I actually don't remember the last time she died on me...
So yeah, for 620 points you kind of have yourself an instant win button. That's pretty cheap.

[Metal]

Normal ninja. I see that sasuke has been mentioned. Tho if memory serves sasuke has fancier b attacks at close range. Normal ninjas ftw!

[Stove]

May 2, 2013 19:48:31 GMT Metal said:

Normal ninja. I see that sasuke has been mentioned. Tho if memory serves sasuke has fancier b attacks at close range. Normal ninjas ftw!

Except Sasuke has more hp, more shuriken, better melee options (dashing melee) and looks cooler. This is for moat cost efficient, so sasuke automatically tops normal ninja.

I have discovered the true most underpriced borg.
Level 128 normal ninja.
For 150 points you get a borg with over 9,999 hp, and if the battle lasts long enough, it gets infinite shuriken.
So far as glitched level borgs, level 173 beam gunner deserves a mention too for having billy's hp, ammo amounts, and reload times.

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I have to give it to Revolver Gunman. He can dodge like nobody's business.

[Admin]

Sigma II is highly overrated in my book. Have never seen the appeal of it. All that agility means little when more or less one hit will take you out, and considering the human factor, I wouldn't rely on it in a tough battle.
Most cost-effective Borg in my book is by far Sirius. You get an unstoppable (and way cool ) force for only 1000 GF. I'm sure the lot of you are thinking 1000 ain't really cost-effective, but considering what you truly get, he's really, really, really worth the cost.

Otherwise, Neo G Red shows a lot of prowess for a measly 500 GF.


- Admin

[Death Eye]

May 18, 2013 4:05:17 GMT Admin said:

Sigma II is highly overrated in my book. Have never seen the appeal of it. All that agility means little when more or less one hit will take you out, and considering the human factor, I wouldn't rely on it in a tough battle.

The thing about Sigma II is that until you mess up with it you have literally the fastest beam-spammer in the game. The fact that it demands more super dodging skills than, say, Beam Wing Red doesn't make it bad, just more difficult to use to its fullest potential.

[dillybar64]

May 18, 2013 4:26:15 GMT Death Eye said:

May 18, 2013 4:05:17 GMT Admin said:

Sigma II is highly overrated in my book. Have never seen the appeal of it. All that agility means little when more or less one hit will take you out, and considering the human factor, I wouldn't rely on it in a tough battle.

The thing about Sigma II is that until you mess up with it you have literally the fastest beam-spammer in the game. The fact that it demands more super dodging skills than, say, Beam Wing Red doesn't make it bad, just more difficult to use to its fullest potential.

Dude costs 180 and because he flies he is a nasty little eel that, while being more brittle than other 180 costing borgs, is able to do an impressive amount of damage considering he is a death borg.

[Manocheese]

May 18, 2013 4:05:17 GMT Admin said:

Sigma II is highly overrated in my book. Have never seen the appeal of it. All that agility means little when more or less one hit will take you out, and considering the human factor, I wouldn't rely on it in a tough battle.
Most cost-effective Borg in my book is by far Sirius. You get an unstoppable (and way cool ) force for only 1000 GF. I'm sure the lot of you are thinking 1000 ain't really cost-effective, but considering what you truly get, he's really, really, really worth the cost.

The "human factor" is part of the appeal. Sigma II provides a ton of room for skillful play. If you're good, you can last for ages; if you suck, you'll die quickly. Sirius is the polar opposite. Anyone can sit and press X all day while barely moving--if they don't get bored to death, that is. The only borg less fun to use is Galactic Emperor.

As far as cost effectiveness goes, if we're only talking about fighting computers, Sigma II is probably the best. However, against humans, Sigma II is too vulnerable to attacks like G Red's G Buster and Sapphire Knight's Mega Lance Beam to be the most cost effective borg. I'd have to say that the G Red family (G Red, Neo G Red, and G Black) comes out on top. Most of the other borgs mentioned are all countered too easily:

• Sigma II is countered by G Buster-type attacks.
• Air borgs are countered by the G Red family, most flying borgs, large machine borgs, and others.
• Fortress borgs are countered by big dragons.
• Death ICBM is countered by any borg that can outrun or outfly it while chipping away at its HP. The G Red family and Sigma II qualify. Also, Death ICBM is very limited in the number of borgs it can kill.
• Beam Gunner is countered by the G Red family and Sigma II. His basic beams aren't very fast and his large beam can be disrupted.
• Slow Valkrie and Death Borg Omicron are countered by any borg with decent movement speed and decent long-range attacks. Their status ailment-inducing attacks are easy to dodge.
• Cyber Girl Hyper is countered by the G Red family and Sigma II. Her remote beams can't be launched from far away, so good long-range attacks can beat her. Even if you have to get close, you can usually dodge the remote beams by staying in constant motion.

The big dragons are in contention, but you can use three Neo G Reds for the price of one Flame Dragon. With that many Neo G Reds, you'd probably be able to get underneath Flame Dragon with at least one of them, making it difficult for him to hit you. Also, Knight borgs can probably do pretty well against dragons. Dark Knight could potentially sit in a corner and chip away at a dragon's health with his beam, though he might be vulnerable to B attacks.

[Stove]

I'd like to pose an argument about Neo G Red trumping Flame Dragon.
If a Neo G Red goes underneath a Flame Dragon Playing using the "rising" moves and strategy, they can simply fire a Bomb underneath which fires off a large explosion. This would draw Neo out from underneath. At long range, a dragon can decimate a Neo G red with a flame breath. Underneath him, it simply takes longer to wear the opponent down. with bombs. I believe a Flame Dragon could take down three Neo G Reds without too much trouble, though I agree that the G series are all very cost efficient borgs.

[Manocheese]

May 20, 2013 4:58:40 GMT Stove said:

I'd like to pose an argument about Neo G Red trumping Flame Dragon.
If a Neo G Red goes underneath a Flame Dragon Playing using the "rising" moves and strategy, they can simply fire a Bomb underneath which fires off a large explosion. This would draw Neo out from underneath. At long range, a dragon can decimate a Neo G red with a flame breath. Underneath him, it simply takes longer to wear the opponent down. with bombs. I believe a Flame Dragon could take down three Neo G Reds without too much trouble, though I agree that the G series are all very cost efficient borgs.

The bombs can be pretty inaccurate if an enemy is right below you. Even if Flame Dragon can hit Neo G Red, as long as he manages to avoid the actual projectile and only gets hit by the explosion, he'll avoid the bulk of the damage. Either way, he won't get sent very far, so he can get back underneath Flame Dragon quickly and avoid the breath attack. Blizzard Dragon and Plasma Dragon might actually be better in this case. Plasma Dragon can knock Neo G Red far away, then use his breath. Blizzard Dragon can freeze him, fly away while he's frozen, and use his breath.

[Stove]

Fair enough, seems right.

[dillybar64]

I just tried it out in Multiplayer.
2 Neo G Red < Dragon.
I was able to safely take them out too.
My buddies were only able to take out about 2/3rds of my health.
If it were 3 Neo G Red vs 1 dragon I don't think I would be able to make it, but 2 on 1 is totally do-able.

Also, something that I feel like I should bring up is that I am not too terribly good with dragons.
My strategy was basically sitting in a corner and shooting at them.
If I were to try using all of the flying tricks, or the hopping technique things would have probably turned out even better for the dragon, but I don't use dragons enough to have the hang of their more effective strategies.