Semi-Finals: Match 2: Sirius vs. Eagle Robot

[Admin]

Nov 12, 2012 18:57:02 GMT Death Eye said:

There is definitely a blind spot with the Beam Gun. If you haven't noticed one, you're spinning around so much that it's constantly moving. Or they just never get to it because it's above and behind in about a 2° range, but it's definitely there. I've seen it.

Never once in my many hundreds of thousands of battles using Sirius has I noticed this. Must be a bug in the NTSC version of the game or it could be because I so seldom (which is practically never) have any opponents come so close.

Nov 12, 2012 18:57:02 GMT Death Eye said:

Let's not be getting carried away here. An AI Sirius? You sure about that? Because that sounds like a load of nonsense, considering they rarely can even hit with the Beam Gun when a human player isn't messing up severely.

No more than saying they will beat a Sirius player. ;D

Death Head, Machine Head, Pop Honey, Battle Girl, Command Girl, Killer Girl (biggest joke of all), Cyber Girl, Cyber Girl Super, Cyber Girl Hyper, Cyber Machines, Death Borg Sigma, Death Borg Sigma II, Mechanical Dragon (it's a SMALL dragon for crying out loud! They are laughable against both Sirius and Antares), Eagle Robot, Beam Gunner, Cyber Hero, Teleport Ninja, Barrier Girl & Death Borg Omicron are all jokes and will all fall without contest in an 1-vs-1 battle. One hit and it's all over thanks to juggling.

Cyber Ninja can be a pesky target but will always fall way before depleting Sirius massive HP.

Antares will easily die from Hyper Mode Max Shot.

Death Saucer could win, but it's unlikely. First you must get above Sirius (this ain't happening often) and secondly you need a clean hit with the Hyper Death Beam which also won't happen likely because Sirius will easily have build up the Hyper Meter by the time DS can unleash the beam and in Hyper Mode, both surviving the Beam and unleashing several Max Shot critically, if not fatally, injure DS are no problem.

Flame Dragon, Blizzard Dragon, Plasma Dragon: these guys... will win, unfortunately.

Cosmic Dragon can be beaten since it's Breath attack is weaker but it's still unlikely.

Cyber Death Dragon can't even be used in a 1-vs-1 battle unless glitched. And even so, the Death Saucer strategy would still work since I have won against CDD using it many times.

Nov 12, 2012 19:02:20 GMT yuurei said:

All ye gotta do is go across the map and spam shots at him.

The thing is, this ain't just happening against a skilled Sirius player who knows when, and how, to fire.

[Stove]

^ See, you really have no room toargue since, as you have said, you have no human payer to battle against. AI will not cut it.

[Frozazen]

good ideas don't only come from people with experience, and wisdom does not always come with experience.

there are ways to test sirius's beam cannon angles alone. you can test almost every one of the characters' stats and parameters by yourself. the only problem with us is that we don't exactly go out of our way to test them.

as for speculations on competitive battling, they're just speculations. unless we start hosting tournaments with decently good players, it'll be difficult to actually know which borgs can take out which borgs. the more people versus each other, the more we learn.

as defensive about Sirius Admin may be, it doesn't seem to me that he's trying to win any sort of argument. He's just giving his thoughts about Sirius based on his experiences as a Sirius main, in a thread about Sirius.

[Admin]

Nov 13, 2012 4:22:48 GMT Stove said:

^ See, you really have no room toargue since, as you have said, you have no human payer to battle against. AI will not cut it.

Same could be said about you.
And having someone over to control a lv.1 Sirius once or twice ain't gonna cut it.

I can bet everything I own that in a 1-vs-1 battle against any normal-sized Borg, a true Sirius player would win 100%. You can get a controller with an auto-dodging function if you want, it still wouldn't save you because timing a hit on a dodging target is still no problem due to the nature of how Beam Gun works.
And one hit is all it takes, because once you're knocked back by a Beam Gun blast you'll be juggled to death.

[Stove]

^1. Wittmtt's Sirius is level 10.
2. You obviously have used Sirius against AI so much you don't know how to really dodge.

[Admin]

^
1. And he (or more importantly you) has thousands upon thousands battle experience with him? No?

2. You obviously have fought against AI Sirius so much you don't really take into account of know how to really use him and how his performance really is. Yes?


Having a personal dislike for a Borg doesn't change the fact of its top rank performance.
I hate all shield-wielding Borgs and in my book they're hardly worth using against low-rank Death Borgs but that's because I'm just bad at using them.

I have played this game more times than yourself that you can ever hope to count. I'm fully aware what each Borg is capable of in the ways of dodging.
It's when you can counter-attack a dodge things gets interesting.
Neo G Red is a great Borg to practice that with as he's really good at it too.

[Stove]

Nov 14, 2012 3:14:44 GMT Admin said:

^
1. And he (or more importantly you) has thousands upon thousands battle experience with him? No?

2. You obviously have fought against AI Sirius so much you don't really take into account of know how to really use him and how his performance really is. Yes?


Having a personal dislike for a Borg doesn't change the fact of its top rank performance.
I hate all shield-wielding Borgs and in my book they're hardly worth using against low-rank Death Borgs but that's because I'm just bad at using them.

I have played this game more times than yourself that you can ever hope to count. I'm fully aware what each Borg is capable of in the ways of dodging.
It's when you can counter-attack a dodge things gets interesting.
Neo G Red is a great Borg to practice that with as he's really good at it too.

1. MY experience with using Sirius does not matter, and yes his Sirius has thousands upon thousands.

2. I don't play this game single player hardly at all anymore, but weekly with Wittmitt. I'm not denying Sirius is great, but there are MANY borgs in the hands of an experienced human player that can trump an experienced Sirius player.

[Death Eye]

Nov 14, 2012 4:41:55 GMT Stove said:

Nov 14, 2012 3:14:44 GMT Admin said:

^
1. And he (or more importantly you) has thousands upon thousands battle experience with him? No?

2. You obviously have fought against AI Sirius so much you don't really take into account of know how to really use him and how his performance really is. Yes?


Having a personal dislike for a Borg doesn't change the fact of its top rank performance.
I hate all shield-wielding Borgs and in my book they're hardly worth using against low-rank Death Borgs but that's because I'm just bad at using them.

I have played this game more times than yourself that you can ever hope to count. I'm fully aware what each Borg is capable of in the ways of dodging.
It's when you can counter-attack a dodge things gets interesting.
Neo G Red is a great Borg to practice that with as he's really good at it too.

1. MY experience with using Sirius does not matter, and yes his Sirius has thousands upon thousands.

2. I don't play this game single player hardly at all anymore, but weekly with Wittmitt. I'm not denying Sirius is great, but there are MANY borgs in the hands of an experienced human player that can trump an experienced Sirius player.

While I don't disagree, it does depend largely on just how much technical and strategic skill the Sirius player in question has. In basically every conceivable scenario, the opponent will have some moment of vulnerability where they just plain can't dodge a properly-executed shot, and if the Sirius player can time their shots perfectly so that they hit at that exact moment their opponent has a problem, to say the least.
To put it simply, a good Sirius player will make dodging everything a major hassle, but can probably be defeated by a sufficiently evasive opponent. A literally perfect Sirius player will turn just about everything into a contest of who has the bigger guns, and Sirius pretty much always has the bigger guns.