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Post by herpanda on Nov 12, 2012 3:37:17 GMT
@frozn, I guess the AIs are just dumb  which wouldn't suprise me xD. Actually, you can pull of instant Beam Gun shots after each other by turning Sirius slightly to the sides. This makes him ready an unused Beam Gun on either the left or right side. Rocking back and forth correctly means you can fire several Beam Guns continuously if you're dealing with a pesky dodger or you need to get the Hyper Mode meter up a few seconds faster against a bigger target. Of course, timing your shots is still the best strategy, as it always works.  Did not know that. Good stuff Admin, it makes Sirius a worthy opponent now lol. I never knew they actually programmed the left and right cannons into the game <_< the things they decide to polish lol. *thinks about trying that out, maybe next week* (Metal still coolah) edit; EUPDATE! Eagle is up by 3! 1.5 hours remain! |
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Post by Stove on Nov 12, 2012 3:47:02 GMT
I can't remember if you can abuse the auto-lock angle using flight-type borgs against a Sirius. Is there an angle he can't shoot the Beam Cannon at? Above, slightly behind him. Ok, here's a list of borgs that either put Sirius in a stalemate, or can take one on. Death Head (staemate) Machine Head (stalemate) Pop Honey (Sirius cant dodge her rain of strange, and far enough away she can avoid Sirius beams.) Battle Girl Command Girl Killer Girl Cyber Girl Cyber Girl Super Cyber Girl Hyper Antares (w/alpha Wings, will usually win) Death Saucer (w/X shot he will always win) Cyber Machines (4 different borgs) Death Borg Sigma Death Borg Sigma II Flame Dragon Blizzard Dragon Plasma Dragon Cosmic Dragon Mechanical Dragon Cyber Death Dragon Eagle RobotBeam Gunner Cyber Hero (stalemate) Cyber Ninja Teleport Ninja (those projectiles WILL eventually wear Sirius down) Barrier Girl Death Borg Omicron (I can explain) And these are the easy ones to think of. |
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Post by herpanda on Nov 12, 2012 3:54:32 GMT
^above behind? One of the better places to place the beam, as it goes directly through the protrusion of the bridge for extra damage, but the sides are a little better I think. I haven't fought one in a while I think I've been shot there before though. Anyway...can Metal even one shot a fortress? I remember doing it once before, but I can never replicate it, so I'm not sure if I just got lucky or what. And...Omicron is a beast always moving, even while attacking. Favorite death borg, and wrecks in 2v2 (humans) lol |
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Post by Stove on Nov 12, 2012 4:13:29 GMT
^above behind? One of the better places to place the beam, as it goes directly through the protrusion of the bridge for extra damage, but the sides are a little better I think. I haven't fought one in a while I think I've been shot there before though. Anyway...can Metal even one shot a fortress? I remember doing it once before, but I can never replicate it, so I'm not sure if I just got lucky or what. And...Omicron is a beast always moving, even while attacking. Favorite death borg, and wrecks in 2v2 (humans) lol Yes, you can oneshot a fortress with metal by standing on the fortress when using it. |
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Post by yuurei on Nov 12, 2012 4:17:41 GMT
The lack of Beam Samurai, Samurai Shogun, and Anubis wing is disturbing.
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Post by Stove on Nov 12, 2012 4:40:55 GMT
The lack of Beam Samurai, Samurai Shogun, and Anubis wing is disturbing. It was justa list of 30, and Shogun would die fast in human vs. Human, as would Beam Samurai. |
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Post by yuurei on Nov 12, 2012 4:55:14 GMT
Dunno about Shogun, but i can see Beam. What about Drill Robot though? Just airdash around the opposite corner and shoot till win.
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Post by Stove on Nov 12, 2012 4:57:31 GMT
Dunno about Shogun, but i can see Beam. What about Drill Robot though? Just airdash around the opposite corner and shoot till win. Tooslow, and Shogun is vulnerable when he uses x charge. |
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Post by herpanda on Nov 12, 2012 5:14:38 GMT
mm, maybeI just put too much stun beforehand, so they go invincibility state before they die. The one time I did it was probably the only true one shot then lol.
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Post by Death Eye on Nov 12, 2012 5:58:41 GMT
Ok, here's a list of borgs that either put Sirius in a stalemate, or can take one on. So you thought to put Teleport Ninja in the list... before Beam Satellite came to mind?  |
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Post by Stove on Nov 12, 2012 6:00:12 GMT
Ok, here's a list of borgs that either put Sirius in a stalemate, or can take one on. So you thought to put Teleport Ninja in the list... before Beam Satellite came to mind? Beam Satellite has a harder time thanDeath Saucer, who also has a death beam |
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Post by Death Eye on Nov 12, 2012 6:07:21 GMT
So you thought to put Teleport Ninja in the list... before Beam Satellite came to mind? Beam Satellite has a harder time thanDeath Saucer, who also has a death beam ...I clearly need to try Death Saucer next time I'm doing that Stone River mission; I don't remember that being the case. |
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Post by Stove on Nov 12, 2012 6:15:52 GMT
Beam Satellite has a harder time thanDeath Saucer, who also has a death beam ...I clearly need to try Death Saucer next time I'm doing that Stone River mission; I don't remember that being the case. Once again, Im talking human v. Human. |
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Post by Admin on Nov 12, 2012 15:07:44 GMT
Sirius has perfect 360 degree firing range. There's no blind spot whatsoever when you control him. I've had Borgs of any shape and sizes on all kinds of angles and Beam Gun and the Anti-Aircraft Gun will always find their targets. Ok, here's a list of borgs that either put Sirius in a stalemate, or can take one on. Death Head (staemate) Machine Head (stalemate) Pop Honey (Sirius cant dodge her rain of strange, and far enough away she can avoid Sirius beams.) Battle Girl Command Girl Killer Girl Cyber Girl Cyber Girl Super Cyber Girl Hyper Antares (w/alpha Wings, will usually win) Death Saucer (w/X shot he will always win) Cyber Machines (4 different borgs) Death Borg Sigma Death Borg Sigma II Flame Dragon Blizzard Dragon Plasma Dragon Cosmic Dragon Mechanical Dragon Cyber Death Dragon Eagle Robot Beam Gunner Cyber Hero (stalemate) Cyber Ninja Teleport Ninja (those projectiles WILL eventually wear Sirius down) Barrier Girl Death Borg Omicron (I can explain) Getting carried away much?  Most of those Borgs can't survive 2 at most 3 Beam Gun blasts and the ones who can will only be juggled to death because of Beam Gun's inherent instant knock-back trait. Even an AI Sirius will deal easily with most Borgs there.  You mentioning Antares Alpha Wings is even further proof you don't know a true Sirius player skills. AW are utterly worthless against even mediocre Borgs and huge Borg like Sirius will just brush them off like flies. Antares is dead waaaaaay before any Alpha Wings pose any sort of threat whatsoever to Sirius' HP. |
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Post by Death Eye on Nov 12, 2012 18:57:02 GMT
Sirius has perfect 360 degree firing range. There's no blind spot whatsoever when you control him. I've had Borgs of any shape and sizes on all kinds of angles and Beam Gun and the Anti-Aircraft Gun will always find their targets. There is definitely a blind spot with the Beam Gun. If you haven't noticed one, you're spinning around so much that it's constantly moving. Or they just never get to it because it's above and behind in about a 2° range, but it's definitely there. I've seen it. Well, he did say he could list 30... Let's not be getting carried away here. An AI Sirius? You sure about that? Because that sounds like a load of nonsense, considering they rarely can even hit with the Beam Gun when a human player isn't messing up severely. |
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Post by yuurei on Nov 12, 2012 19:02:20 GMT
Outside of Dragons and outside interference i haven't been hit by a X from Sirius in years. All ye gotta do is go across the map and spam shots at him.
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Post by Stove on Nov 12, 2012 19:07:36 GMT
Sirius has perfect 360 degree firing range. There's no blind spot whatsoever when you control him. I've had Borgs of any shape and sizes on all kinds of angles and Beam Gun and the Anti-Aircraft Gun will always find their targets. Ok, here's a list of borgs that either put Sirius in a stalemate, or can take one on. Death Head (staemate) Machine Head (stalemate) Pop Honey (Sirius cant dodge her rain of strange, and far enough away she can avoid Sirius beams.) Battle Girl Command Girl Killer Girl Cyber Girl Cyber Girl Super Cyber Girl Hyper Antares (w/alpha Wings, will usually win) Death Saucer (w/X shot he will always win) Cyber Machines (4 different borgs) Death Borg Sigma Death Borg Sigma II Flame Dragon Blizzard Drago n Plasma Dragon Cosmic Dragon Mechanical Dragon Cyber Death Dragon Eagle Robot Beam Gunner Cyber Hero (stalemate) Cyber Ninja Teleport Ninja (those projectiles WILL eventually wear Sirius down) Barrier Girl Death Borg Omicron (I can explain) Getting carried away much? Most of those Borgs can't survive 2 at most 3 Beam Gun blasts and the ones who can will only be juggled to death because of Beam Gun's inherent instant knock-back trait. Even an AI Sirius will deal easily with most Borgs there. You mentioning Antares Alpha Wings is even further proof you don't know a true Sirius player skills. AW are utterly worthless against even mediocre Borgs and huge Borg like Sirius will just brush them off like flies. Antares is dead waaaaaay before any Alpha Wings pose any sort of threat whatsoever to Sirius' HP. Wittmitt is still an amazing Sirius player (he also uses that tactic you mentioned, and a few other interesting tricks.) and we tested this. That's your issue, I can test these. You can't. So you gotta take my word for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 0:07:02 GMT
May I join in?
I use sirius regularly vs colonel sarcasm, incidentally a good player.
I haven't tested each borg but I'll note the ones I definitely know about:
Death saucer: 50/chance either way, actually. Against AI, yes, but human vs human they start off at the same level. Saucer isn't automatically higher, he has to move above sirius, pushing him down.
However if you spin around the right way while death saucer is trying to move above you, it's possible for sirius to end up above death saucer where in Sirius basically wins. Beam sateliete is a similrar story, may actually be harder for siriius though, so I'll go out on a limb and say beam satelite may be a better siruius killer but don't quote me.
Antares: As Admin said, laughable. Antares as a whole is pretty laughable.
All the dragons you listed yes, and Admin already admits that dragons are the ultimate sirius killers so why bother mentioning them? The machine/death head is interesting though, but ultimately a sirius can easily knock down a flying borg as time wears on, the moment they face sirius to actually attack sirius can hit them at the required angle. At least for me anyway, I suck with air borgs so good luck there. and I find cyber dragon dubious at best, as he has no breath attack which is what defines dragons.
I dont doubt machines. Much. Carry on. ( I think they wouldn't kill sirius, but get him pretty darn close, though I cant say)
girl and ninja borgs- will get hit eventually. No two ways about it, we consider borgs played to perfection by humans when we do this for fairness- but no one is perfect, they'll run out of hump dahses or boost, have to land, where in Sirius can hit them for the split second before they move. It's a problem where in sirius is mostly foo, proof once mastered, and even though me and CS are wicked dodgers, we get hit eventually. And yes, and AI can beat me when I use these or even my favorite borgs like G Black or death wing- I can get pretty darn close and survive a long time, but I wasn't granted insane gamer skills by the infinite power of god.
There are some good sirius killers that you didn't mention-
Theoretically any knight borg with a decent range (sapphire knight for me)
As sapphire knight I stalled battles out mercilessly. I stayed in the opposite corner from sirius, and he couldn't do anything no matter what he did. Sapphire knight especially doesn't lower his shield when firing, so I was able to mash the B button and win after about 30 minuets. Occasionally X, but I normally got hit.
Metal hero: indeed, his luck doesn't need to last as long as others.
I have no idea on pop honey, but my skepticism is boundless.
Despite all this- here is the final thesis no one ever seems to think about- individually, I believe very few of these borgs are sirius murderers. They could probably get a crap ton more HP than perhaps they should, though. Say, two of those borgs, likely for a lower cost, could beat sirius. In multiplayer, although as one they may not beat him, as two in succession they can, and may even be more efficient.
So can we end this argument now? Sirius is a nigh unbeatable borg 1v1, but 1v2 sirius crumbles and with more cost, in theory. Each are good for their own situations and it doesn't matter whose better, it's just a gamble, better pay off vs guaranteed results.
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Post by Stove on Nov 13, 2012 0:18:51 GMT
May I join in? I use sirius regularly vs colonel sarcasm, incidentally a good player. I haven't tested each borg but I'll note the ones I definitely know about: Death saucer: 50/chance either way, actually. Against AI, yes, but human vs human they start off at the same level. Saucer isn't automatically higher, he has to move above sirius, pushing him down. However if you spin around the right way while death saucer is trying to move above you, it's possible for sirius to end up above death saucer where in Sirius basically wins. Beam sateliete is a similrar story, may actually be harder for siriius though, so I'll go out on a limb and say beam satelite may be a better siruius killer but don't quote me. Antares: As Admin said, laughable. Antares as a whole is pretty laughable. All the dragons you listed yes, and Admin already admits that dragons are the ultimate sirius killers so why bother mentioning them? The machine/death head is interesting though, but ultimately a sirius can easily knock down a flying borg as time wears on, the moment they face sirius to actually attack sirius can hit them at the required angle. At least for me anyway, I suck with air borgs so good luck there. and I find cyber dragon dubious at best, as he has no breath attack which is what defines dragons. I dont doubt machines. Much. Carry on. ( I think they wouldn't kill sirius, but get him pretty darn close, though I cant say) girl and ninja borgs- will get hit eventually. No two ways about it, we consider borgs played to perfection by humans when we do this for fairness- but no one is perfect, they'll run out of hump dahses or boost, have to land, where in Sirius can hit them for the split second before they move. It's a problem where in sirius is mostly foo, proof once mastered, and even though me and CS are wicked dodgers, we get hit eventually. And yes, and AI can beat me when I use these or even my favorite borgs like G Black or death wing- I can get pretty darn close and survive a long time, but I wasn't granted insane gamer skills by the infinite power of god. There are some good sirius killers that you didn't mention- Theoretically any knight borg with a decent range (sapphire knight for me) As sapphire knight I stalled battles out mercilessly. I stayed in the opposite corner from sirius, and he couldn't do anything no matter what he did. Sapphire knight especially doesn't lower his shield when firing, so I was able to mash the B button and win after about 30 minuets. Occasionally X, but I normally got hit. Metal hero: indeed, his luck doesn't need to last as long as others. I have no idea on pop honey, but my skepticism is boundless. Despite all this- here is the final thesis no one ever seems to think about- individually, I believe very few of these borgs are sirius murderers. They could probably get a crap ton more HP than perhaps they should, though. Say, two of those borgs, likely for a lower cost, could beat sirius. In multiplayer, although as one they may not beat him, as two in succession they can, and may even be more efficient. So can we end this argument now? Sirius is a nigh unbeatable borg 1v1, but 1v2 sirius crumbles and with more cost, in theory. Each are good for their own situations and it doesn't matter whose better, it's just a gamble, better pay off vs guaranteed results. I love how everyone thinks Antares sucks. it's slightly better than Sirius in a human vs. human situation, and against humans the Alpha Wings are amazing, as they WILL whittle down your opponent's HP. With girl and gun borgs dash to air dash. it works. Most the borgs I mentioned CAN beat a human sirius if human-controlled. |
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Post by Death Eye on Nov 13, 2012 1:01:55 GMT
I love how everyone thinks Antares sucks. it's slightly better than Sirius in a human vs. human situation, and against humans the Alpha Wings are amazing, as they WILL whittle down your opponent's HP. I presume it gets underestimated because it does less damage over time than Sirius when the opponent can't dodge Sirius' beams, meaning that a sufficiently well-played Sirius probably is, in fact, better than the best Antares if the Sirius player can hit consistently enough. I don't think that is being disputed; if They could probably get a crap ton more HP than perhaps they should then logically that "crap ton more HP than perhaps they should" could in theory be all of its HP. It's just a question of likelihood at this point. |
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Actually, you can pull of instant Beam Gun shots after each other by turning Sirius slightly to the sides. This makes him ready an unused Beam Gun on either the left or right side. Rocking back and forth correctly means you can fire several Beam Guns continuously if you're dealing with a pesky dodger or you need to get the Hyper Mode meter up a few seconds faster against a bigger target.
which wouldn't suprise me xD. 
