I got some questions.

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(I did a quick search, but didn't find answers to these)

- I heard about a ''reset glitch'' but never actually test it. It says to save before entering a battle, at the end of the match if you get the capsule you wanted, but the wrong model (having only A, B and C capsule when you need a D), you just reset. Replay the same battle and at the end, you'll get the same capsule and maybe a different model. Reset until you got your capsule.
^ Can someone confirm this ? Because that would mean the capsules you got is selected before the actual battle, it has nothing to do with score ?

- Is there an alternate color for every borg ? Minus the ones like Sasuke, Nao, etc. I think that every borg can be Crystal, Silver, Gold or Black, but there's some borgs that I've just never seen in alt color.

- 20th Force Glitch Method 1 apparently work with specefic borgs on the American version. For example, G Black and G. Emperor works perfectly but whenever I try other borgs, the game freezes.

For now that's all I got. Maybe I'll have some more when I'll play again later.

[thadudette]

Re: Alt colors, there's a nice big thread about it right here ;D

And I haven't tested the glitches either, so I'm not sure about those either.

[Death Eye]

Jun 11, 2012 17:35:10 GMT @221b said:

- I heard about a ''reset glitch'' but never actually test it. It says to save before entering a battle, at the end of the match if you get the capsule you wanted, but the wrong model (having only A, B and C capsule when you need a D), you just reset. Replay the same battle and at the end, you'll get the same capsule and maybe a different model. Reset until you got your capsule.
^ Can someone confirm this ? Because that would mean the capsules you got is selected before the actual battle, it has nothing to do with score ?

No one can confirm anything. Unfortunately, that is hardly even an exaggeration.
I know it worked for me the one time I tried it, though.
(also, [nitpicky]it wouldn't be a "glitch" as much as it would be an exploit of the game mechanics.[/nitpicky])

- Is there an alternate color for every borg ? Minus the ones like Sasuke, Nao, etc. I think that every borg can be Crystal, Silver, Gold or Black, but there's some borgs that I've just never seen in alt color.

Nope.
EDIT: ^She beat me to it.
EDIT2: Actually, no, that's an entirely different thread from the one I linked to; mine has pictures of all of them that actually exist. So it loads 800% slower.

- 20th Force Glitch Method 1 apparently work with specefic borgs on the American version. For example, G Black and G. Emperor works perfectly but whenever I try other borgs, the game freezes.

I used to have extensive knowledge about the technical aspects of the glitch (but not quite to the extent that I could create whatever I wanted), but then I took an arrow to the knee I forgot most of it. I do, however, remember that as far as I could tell the game freezes when it tries to pull a Borg from an empty slot of the Box. So trying it with less empty space should, in theory, improve your chances of success. Which means you should start a new file on an extra memory card, play through the game once to get a substantial number of Borgs, then repeatedly retry the glitch, moving the Borgs around each time, and it should eventually work.
I would say use your main file and pull out the memory card before you actually do it, but first of all, that's stupid, and second, slot 17/18/21/somewhere-around-there is the procurement ID. The procurement ID is when you got the Borg (i.e. first, second, third). So on your main file it's quite possible that it'll try loading something in the thousands, which obviously won't work. (Come to think of it, this is probably why it didn't work when I tried it on my main file that one time... or that other time...)

[Carigun]

The data crystal is annoying if you get the right letter but not the type you need i should know that.
EXAMPLE
Victory King Normal A,C,D
Victory King Alternate B,C
after me getting B alt i have said a few words.

for the 20th force glitch i know what you mean the only 2 that works for me is Galactic Emperor and G Black. i tried for Cyber Death Dragon but that did not work and the game dose freeze

[Deleted]

Thanks for your answers !

Yeah, I found the topic about alt. color (The Death Eye one) before anyone even answer. >< I should have posted in Game Help, sorry.

And from what I see about alt. color borgs, all the ones that I have in Crystal, Silver, Gold or Black are on this list. So only those borg can be in these 4 other color ? Because I have a Black capsule of ... I think it's Proto Atlas or Cyber Atlas and it isn't on the list.

(And for the reset thingy, yeah, it's nor really a glitch I should have wrote ''trick'')

[Stove]

1. For normal color borgs, this glitch ALWAYS works on my game.

2. No.

3. The 20th force glitch works differently on every game. There are some borgs that nobody has reportedly been able to get via glitch (Namely ALL the dragons except CDD in the 2nd method.)

[Death Eye]

Jun 11, 2012 18:09:36 GMT @221b said:

And from what I see about alt. color borgs, all the ones that I have in Crystal, Silver, Gold or Black are on this list. So only those borg can be in these 4 other color ? Because I have a Black capsule of ... I think it's Proto Atlas or Cyber Atlas and it isn't on the list.

As your black data crystal for Proto/Cyber Atl-WAIT WHAT HOW DID YOU GET THAT?!
Uh... yeah, in actuality anything can be in those colors.
...I can't seem to locate where the photographic proof is, but it's around here somewhere...

Jun 11, 2012 18:14:28 GMT Stove said:

3. The 20th force glitch works differently on every game. There are some borgs that nobody has reportedly been able to get via glitch (Namely ALL the dragons except CDD in the 2nd method.)

I've probably said it before, but that sounds like nonsense; there is absolutely no reason why individual copies of the game should have different coding like that.
...I can't prove that they don't, but they shouldn't.

[Deleted]

I don't even know, it's been such a while. I just checked and it is actually Proto Blue. B138A.

Also, I have a crystal color capsule of Ruby Knight. Not Sapphire. A crystal color capsule of Slow Valkrie. So possibly any borg could be Crystal/Black/Silver/Gold because those 3 aren't on the list.


Edit : Oh, I have another question. Is there any differences in replays ? I mean, do you have a better chance of getting certain borgs in Play 8 than in Play 5 for example ?

[Death Eye]

Jun 11, 2012 19:34:13 GMT @221b said:

Edit : Oh, I have another question. Is there any differences in replays ? I mean, do you have a better chance of getting certain borgs in Play 8 than in Play 5 for example ?

As I said before, pretty much nothing is confirmed, but that is the general belief here.

[Deleted]

Alright, thanks.

[Jay24092]

I can never be borthed to exploit a game so perfect as gotcha force

[njayhuang]

Jun 11, 2012 18:46:53 GMT Death Eye said:

Jun 11, 2012 18:14:28 GMT Stove said:

3. The 20th force glitch works differently on every game. There are some borgs that nobody has reportedly been able to get via glitch (Namely ALL the dragons except CDD in the 2nd method.)

I've probably said it before, but that sounds like nonsense; there is absolutely no reason why individual copies of the game should have different coding like that.
...I can't prove that they don't, but they shouldn't.

Everyone has slightly different data (borgs, crystals etc.) so that could have an impact on the results. Not a big enough impact that the underlying principle of the 20th Force glitch varies, but enough so that some combinations work and some don't depending on the data on the mem card. But I really have no idea.

[thadudette]

Yep, reset ... gimmick works ;D Finally got my last Kei crystal ;D

But yeah, doesn't help rare borg hunters a great deal since color information doesn't stay the same ...

[smithy0401]

Ok I can confirm this as I use save states by playing gotcha force on my laptop using an emulator these are some things you'll really find usefull

every match you can get a special colour Borg but I would say the odds of it is 1 in every 20 times you play the same level by loading your game over and over so that is pretty long

second is that capsules are given at random which I'm sure you'll be glad to hear, but you still have to get a certain score, keep playing the same level over and over until you get the one you want

the Borg you get including the special color ones are determined at the beginning of the match as I have loaded the game many time just before beating the level. with no luck

my conclusion is play to the best you can and hope for the best but with capsules it is worth loading again to get to get the ones you want, I'm on play 2 and have all the Borgs I had on play 5 last time I had the game

Hope this helps

[smithy0401]

Also rare capsules are given loads more on the later plays, during play one and two you won't get any really

[Death Eye]

Jun 28, 2012 2:18:22 GMT smithy0401 said:

Ok I can confirm this as I use save states by playing gotcha force on my laptop using an emulator these are some things you'll really find usefull

every match you can get a special colour Borg but I would say the odds of it is 1 in every 20 times you play the same level by loading your game over and over so that is pretty long

second is that capsules are given at random which I'm sure you'll be glad to hear, but you still have to get a certain score, keep playing the same level over and over until you get the one you want

the Borg you get including the special color ones are determined at the beginning of the match as I have loaded the game many time just before beating the level. with no luck

my conclusion is play to the best you can and hope for the best but with capsules it is worth loading again to get to get the ones you want, I'm on play 2 and have all the Borgs I had on play 5 last time I had the game

Hope this helps

So, at the beginning of the fight it decides what you'll get, in the middle of the fight it decides if any differently-colored ones will show up, and at the end of the fight it decides what crystals to give you? That sound about right?
And where, exactly, does the score tie into this?
(I seriously need to get an emulator with debugging features (i.e. RAM address monitoring) working on my computer so I can test some of this out myself, figure out the more advanced technical stuff...)

[smithy0401]

So, at the beginning of the fight it decides what you'll get, in the middle of the fight it decides if any differently-colored ones will show up, and at the end of the fight it decides what crystals to give you? That sound about right?
And where, exactly, does the score tie into this?

ok like you say all those things are determined at the begining of the match,but your score determines if you get them or not,

think of the score total as a cup
your score as some water

make the cup overflow and you win the prize

random prize though

[Death Eye]

Jun 29, 2012 13:43:22 GMT smithy0401 said:

So, at the beginning of the fight it decides what you'll get, in the middle of the fight it decides if any differently-colored ones will show up, and at the end of the fight it decides what crystals to give you? That sound about right?
And where, exactly, does the score tie into this?

ok like you say all those things are determined at the begining of the match,but your score determines if you get them or not,

think of the score total as a cup
your score as some water

make the cup overflow and you win the prize

random prize though

So when it, as I kind of put it, "decides what it'll give you" it actually decides what it'll give you if your score reaches a certain value? And which Borg you get at each score level among the Borgs it decided to give you is random?
Interesting.
So does that mean it never gives me rare Death Borgs because my score's too high? Or is it more likely that it just didn't decide to let me get it at the start, meaning that no score could possibly cause me to get it?

[smithy0401]

I don't think the score effects which borg or capsule or any order in which you get them just that if you get over say 25,000 you'll get a random prize every time,

i suspect it works like this,
your in the first drill bot match

score 20,000 you will get a borg - random borg that was in the match, you get

score 25,000 you will get capsule of drill bot - random letter capsule given,

[Carigun]

Jun 30, 2012 15:01:59 GMT smithy0401 said:

I don't think the score effects which borg or capsule or any order in which you get them just that if you get over say 25,000 you'll get a random prize every time,

i suspect it works like this,
your in the first drill bot match

score 20,000 you will get a borg - random borg that was in the match, you get

score 25,000 you will get capsule of drill bot - random letter capsule given,

not on play 1