Borgs with perfect time delays

[Treadshot A1]

Just wondering, how do you deal with borgs whose attacks seem to be delayed exactly the right amount of time to hit again and again and again?

For example, we all know how well Barrier Girl's physical yo yo attack is. Run in, hit something, and it takes you exactly the same amount of time to reach them as it does for them to not be flinched anymore. Hit again, and repeat, and the opponent can't do anything about it until they bounce off of something and out of Barrier Girl's range.

What about Machine Red? His blast laser (that fast insta-beam, like Command Girl's) hits, and if you press any button while flying through the air to recover, the second blast hits, and it continues. I've often been hit thrice by this as most of my borgs recover fast after being hit. Its like Machine Red's blast animation was programmed to be exactly as long as it takes an opponent to become vulnerable again (that is, just long enough to bypass the invincible state you're in when you flinch). Actually, come to think of it I tried not pressing any button, and I still got hit while in the so called invulnerable state (I've done that with Command girl before, so its not a com cheating), though I only get hit twice in this case instead of three times.

Other borgs, like Command Girl can blast you once with an X attack from far away, and then a skilled player can time the next shot to hit right when you recover (i've been guilty of this tactic on many occasions). That means you're bound to take 3 hits before being able to recover (which is like 50-75 damage depending on the Borg).

Short of Dragons and Fortresses, how do you deal with these attacks? Do you just avoid them all day long (and take the hit every once in a while), or do you have a way to avoid being subjected to these tactics? And are you guilty of using some if these perfectly timed animations to your advantage sometimes?

Oh, and I'll give one of my ways to deal with this: Quick Valkyrie. If this thing hits a perfectly timed Borg, it'll end up too fast, and its animation will be over while the opponent is still flicnhed. Obviously not the best counter ever, since you have to use a freaking Quick Valkyrie, but possible.

[Frozazen]

if you want to mess up a borg's timing, then use slow valkyrie, instead. in the case of a 1v1, once you land the slow spell, you automatically win, as you can keep the slow spell going even on a cyber ninja.

but i think you're right about the buster laser's amazing timing, except i think that it's good to be able to have something like that, one of the few useful combos in the game. it hits fast, hits hard, and you can only use it two or three times tops. even though it is a good move in general, and i love to use it on computers, the buster laser can be just as easily dodged as G Red's beam attack, so i wouldn't call it broken.

[Treadshot A1]

Yeah, it's nowhere near broken, and i think it's actually very well handled by the game's fighting mechanics, as the ammo limits the move from being broken, while still allowing it to be effective. It's sort of like Falco's Blaster is Brawl versus how it was in Melee. Toned down to not be repeatedly damaging and unavoidable, but still effective for racking up damage.

All i'm asking is, are there ways to avoid these attacks, aside form not getting caught in the first blast? For example, Command Girl's Buster Laser can be easily stopped by attacking at close range, where she is completely helpless (she has no melee attacks, unlike Battle Girl or Killer Girl). Machine Red can be avoided easily, just stay close to him, or if you're using something fast in the air, simply air dash constantly (this works against Machine Red, but somehow not against Command Girl).

Come to think of it, sometimes (and i stress, sometimes) air dashing at great heights directly towards Command Girl can actually avoid her Buster Laser completely. However, it has to be a great height, and with relatively fast characters (I've found COM controlled Normal Samurai seem to be especially skilled at this tactic).

Barrier Girl...need i say it? Just stay away and blast.

But are these the only strategies to deal with these (and other such) borgs?

[Death Eye]

Mar 28, 2012 15:39:49 GMT Treadshot A1 said:

All i'm asking is, are there ways to avoid these attacks, aside form not getting caught in the first blast?

Unless you can recover from the first hit faster than I believe to be possible, no, you're not avoiding that second shot from Cyber Mars.

Come to think of it, sometimes (and i stress, sometimes) air dashing at great heights directly towards Command Girl can actually avoid her Buster Laser completely. However, it has to be a great height, and with relatively fast characters (I've found COM controlled Normal Samurai seem to be especially skilled at this tactic).

That's a simple matter of geometry... and yet I can't explain it very well without a diagram of some sort that I'm too lazy to make at the moment.
Basically, the steeper the angle at which the beam is fired the shorter the distance you have to move forward or backward to dodge it.

[njayhuang]

cos(theta)

^You'll need it.

[Death Eye]

Mar 28, 2012 21:19:30 GMT njayhuang said:

cos(theta)

^You'll need it.

Only if I were to attempt to explain it with math, which is entirely unnecessary when I can just draw a diagram with a bunch of rectangles representing the Borg doing the dodging and the range of the Buster Laser.
Problem is, I'm too lazy and it's probably not entirely necessary anyway; I'm pretty sure it's simple enough to understand... maybe...

[Frozazen]

yup the buster laser is pretty much a narrow cylinder protruding form the borg's blaster. you can angle it up, down, left, and right, but the starting point is pretty much the same, making the range a kind of cone. however, the path of the buster laser locks into place as soon as you hit the button for it, so once it has locked into place the opposing borg can sidestep, or even pass over it if the shot is aimed upwards.

as for getting out of it after the first shot, if your opponent has good timing, then you won't be able to get out of it, unless you happen to bounce off the boundaries as soon as he shoots the buster laser again, thereby changing your trajectory. if your opponent does not have good timing, then you might be able to time your recuperating jump to dodge the delayed buster laser.