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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 22:29:58 GMT
I've seen some differences between the transforming borgs and their proto forms. For example, Proto Eagle's X attack is these two lasers and Eagle Robot's X attack makes him transform. Which side has your vote?
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Post by Dogmantra on Oct 23, 2010 0:52:25 GMT
99% of the time the transformer's only use for transforming is to refill ammo.
And it's not worth the cost.
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Post by Admin on Oct 23, 2010 4:50:37 GMT
The ones who can transform into fliers has a good secondary feature (air pursuit/escape), however the cost is always an issue.
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Post by Dogmantra on Oct 23, 2010 11:42:59 GMT
The ones who can transform into fliers has a good secondary feature ( air pursuit/escape), And these are the good ones  |
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Post by dillybar64 on Oct 23, 2010 16:02:11 GMT
I am going to have to go with the transformers because
~Titan Robot = Optimus Prime
~Eagle Robot flies in out of nowhere, attacks a few times, and then flies away. Guerilla tactics for the win!
~I am assuming that robots that combine are grouped with the transformers because they have a proto form. I adore Cyber Mars so...
Transformers takes my vote.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2010 3:21:39 GMT
I am going to have to go with the transformers because ~Titan Robot = Optimus Prime ~Eagle Robot flies in out of nowhere, attacks a few times, and then flies away. Guerilla tactics for the win! ~I am assuming that robots that combine are grouped with the transformers because they have a proto form. I adore Cyber Mars so... Transformers takes my vote. In this poll, combiners aren't a part of the Transformers group. But I don't get the "Titan Robot = Optimus Prime" thing. Victory King has a better chance at it, and he's like a fusion of Ultra Magnus (for color scheme) and Blitzwing (for transformations). |
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Post by dillybar64 on Oct 24, 2010 17:01:59 GMT
I am going to have to go with the transformers because ~Titan Robot = Optimus Prime ~Eagle Robot flies in out of nowhere, attacks a few times, and then flies away. Guerilla tactics for the win! ~I am assuming that robots that combine are grouped with the transformers because they have a proto form. I adore Cyber Mars so... Transformers takes my vote. In this poll, combiners aren't a part of the Transformers group. But I don't get the "Titan Robot = Optimus Prime" thing. Victory King has a better chance at it, and he's like a fusion of Ultra Magnus (for color scheme) and Blitzwing (for transformations). Keep in mind that this is my opinion so you don't necessarily have to agree with it, but I think that Titan Tank is more like Prime than Victory King. I understand that he turns into a Jetish thing when combined with Jetstorm. I understand that Victory King looks more like he's like a fusion of Ultra Magnus (for color scheme) I understand that Victory King looks like Prime combined with Blitzwing (for transformations). But I am talking about Prime alone. Just straight up Optimus Prime. No combinations, no fusions, no powerups, no alternate forms, just the original Prime from the original series being Optimus Prime. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 0:58:28 GMT
Keep in mind that this is my opinion so you don't necessarily have to agree with it, but I think that Titan Tank is more like Prime than Victory King. I understand that he turns into a Jetish thing when combined with Jetstorm. I understand that Victory King looks more like he's like a fusion of Ultra Magnus (for color scheme) I understand that Victory King looks like Prime combined with Blitzwing (for transformations). But I am talking about Prime alone. Just straight up Optimus Prime. No combinations, no fusions, no powerups, no alternate forms, just the original Prime from the original series being Optimus Prime. Can you repeat any of that in small and simple English please? I see where you're getting at. |
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Post by dillybar64 on Oct 26, 2010 1:09:22 GMT
Keep in mind that this is my opinion so you don't necessarily have to agree with it, but I think that Titan Tank is more like Prime than Victory King. I understand that he turns into a Jetish thing when combined with Jetstorm. I understand that Victory King looks more like he's like a fusion of Ultra Magnus (for color scheme) I understand that Victory King looks like Prime combined with Blitzwing (for transformations). But I am talking about Prime alone. Just straight up Optimus Prime. No combinations, no fusions, no powerups, no alternate forms, just the original Prime from the original series being Optimus Prime. Can you repeat any of that in small and simple English please? I see where you're getting at. Really, I thought I boiled it down well. Well, you see Opti... Wait, if you see what I am getting at do you really want me to repeat it? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2010 1:55:38 GMT
Can you repeat any of that in small and simple English please? I see where you're getting at. Really, I thought I boiled it down well. Well, you see Opti... Wait, if you see what I am getting at do you really want me to repeat it? To trick you. |
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Post by Carigun on Apr 12, 2013 14:54:48 GMT
Victory King...
Can transform into a jet and a tank for 1000 cost and 450HP (now thats a good deal), in fact so much of a good deal it makes proto looks like a rip off. Eagle Robot (400HP) and Titan Robot (450HP) has only on vehicle they can transform into for 1000 cost. Victory Duke and Baron is a little cheaper than them 2 and have 1 form so why Eagle and Titan. ok you guys might be saying about the javelin shots from Titan, fetch proto or the tank its cheaper, that said you do have unlimited bullets with Robo Titan (needs charging). Eagle Robot is a waste. you dont get the twin beam shot on it and the jet form is useless, as it shoots straight. so fetch proto if thats what you want from it. and I had not forgot Panther Robo (450HP), its not the best machine borg in the game but its not the worst (we have Magnet Robots for that). you have twin tire shots and a machine gun. when in vehicle form it has good pace (for a tank) machine gun and mega twin beam shots (needs charging) ok its still a little bad for 1000 cost but not as bad as eagle robot.
1: Victory King (Tank + Jet + Robot + 1000 Cost + 450HP = Cheap)
2: Victory Duke (Tank + Robot + 850 cost + 420HP = Cheap) (Tie with Barron)
2: Victory Barron (Jet + Robot + 850 cost + 380 HP = Cheap) (Tie with Duke)
4: Titan Robot (Tank + Robot + Unlmited Javelin shot + 1000 cost + 450HP = good value)
5: Proto Eagle (Robot + Twin Beam Shot + 850 cost + 380HP = better value than robo)
6: Panther Robot (Panther Vehicle + Robot + Unlimited Twin Wheel Shot + 1000 Cost + 450HP = Great borg)
7: Proto Titan (Robot + 1 Javlin shot + 800 Cost + 420HP = ok but not as good as titan)
8: Proto Panther (Robot + 1 twin wheel shot + 800 Cost + 400HP = reasonably good borg but not the best)
9: Proto King (Robot + 800 Cost + 400HP = reasonable but not as good of a deal compered to V.King)
10: Eagle Robot (Robot + Jet + 1000 Cost - Twin Beam shot + 400HP = a waste of 1000 Cost)
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Post by Death Eye on Apr 12, 2013 19:31:22 GMT
Eagle Robot is a waste. you dont get the twin beam shot on it and the jet form is useless, as it shoots straight. so fetch proto if thats what you want from it. ...No. Even ignoring how wrong you are about it shooting straight (it can aim much better than you think if you're looking anywhere near it), you get about double speed, instant reloading, and infinite air time with it if you have any idea what you're doing. Plus Proto Eagle has bullets instead of beams, which is just horrible. It kind of is. Its melees are awkward and it has two projectiles worth using, and of those I don't remember the tire shot even being all that useful. Leaving nothing but the Vehicle form beam, and even that's made nearly useless by how slow it is to charge them. Panther Vehicle all the way. Oh, look, a list. These are always fun. I already explained what's wrong with your perception of Eagle Robot, I doubt I need to again. Admittedly, you weren't too far off with Victory King. He has a Jet form for mobility and nothing else, a more general-purpose Tank form than Titan Robot, and his Robot form isn't too terrible, either. All-around pretty good. About as good as Victory King, only without the Jet form for mobility. Might actually be better taking cost into account. -150 GF at the cost of a rather unhelpful Jet form and 30 HP? Pretty good deal, if you ask me. You can even go into Tank form in the air. I don't know why you had Proto King toward the bottom, he's actually one of the better Protos. Solid melee ability, an unreasonably powerful shot, and that Windmill Slash or whatever it's called is actually pretty good for killing Dragons. You'd think it'd be better than Proto King with the added mobility of Jet Form, but no, it actually gets in the way quite a bit. Why did you have this thing tied with Duke, anyway? Not as good as Victory Duke overall, Robot form's pretty annoying to try to use from what I remember and the Javelin Shot's unbelievably slow, but Tank form's beams are actually pretty fast and the Javelin Shot, slow as it is, is still very effective against slow targets. The entire point of Eagle Robot is high-speed long-range beam spam that may or may not be from the sky. Proto Eagle no longer has the high-speed, the beam spam, or the possibility of attacking from the sky with its bullets and lack of Jet Form, and the long-range doesn't work anywhere near as well as a result, so what's the point? The only positive is the dual beam thing, but even then, it doesn't make up for everything else. Titan Robot without the better part. All it has now is the Javelin Shot (though it's a lot better on Proto Titan now that it doesn't need to be charged) and a very awkward basic shot. Still great for slow enemies, though, probably even better than Titan Robot since it doesn't need to charge. But that doesn't make up for how annoying it is to try to use any other time. Panther Robot is just the worst. Okay, that was an exaggeration, Proto Panther actually is the worst. How on earth did you put this above Proto King, anyway? |
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Post by Carigun on Apr 12, 2013 20:14:41 GMT
Eagle Robot is a waste. you dont get the twin beam shot on it and the jet form is useless, as it shoots straight. so fetch proto if thats what you want from it. ...No. Even ignoring how wrong you are about it shooting straight (it can aim much better than you think if you're looking anywhere near it), you get about double speed, instant reloading, and infinite air time with it if you have any idea what you're doing. Plus Proto Eagle has bullets instead of beams, which is just horrible. It kind of is. Its melees are awkward and it has two projectiles worth using, and of those I don't remember the tire shot even being all that useful. Leaving nothing but the Vehicle form beam, and even that's made nearly useless by how slow it is to charge them. Panther Vehicle all the way. Oh, look, a list. These are always fun. I already explained what's wrong with your perception of Eagle Robot, I doubt I need to again. Admittedly, you weren't too far off with Victory King. He has a Jet form for mobility and nothing else, a more general-purpose Tank form than Titan Robot, and his Robot form isn't too terrible, either. All-around pretty good. About as good as Victory King, only without the Jet form for mobility. Might actually be better taking cost into account. -150 GF at the cost of a rather unhelpful Jet form and 30 HP? Pretty good deal, if you ask me. You can even go into Tank form in the air. I don't know why you had Proto King toward the bottom, he's actually one of the better Protos. Solid melee ability, an unreasonably powerful shot, and that Windmill Slash or whatever it's called is actually pretty good for killing Dragons. You'd think it'd be better than Proto King with the added mobility of Jet Form, but no, it actually gets in the way quite a bit. Why did you have this thing tied with Duke, anyway? Not as good as Victory Duke overall, Robot form's pretty annoying to try to use from what I remember and the Javelin Shot's unbelievably slow, but Tank form's beams are actually pretty fast and the Javelin Shot, slow as it is, is still very effective against slow targets. The entire point of Eagle Robot is high-speed long-range beam spam that may or may not be from the sky. Proto Eagle no longer has the high-speed, the beam spam, or the possibility of attacking from the sky with its bullets and lack of Jet Form, and the long-range doesn't work anywhere near as well as a result, so what's the point? The only positive is the dual beam thing, but even then, it doesn't make up for everything else. Titan Robot without the better part. All it has now is the Javelin Shot (though it's a lot better on Proto Titan now that it doesn't need to be charged) and a very awkward basic shot. Still great for slow enemies, though, probably even better than Titan Robot since it doesn't need to charge. But that doesn't make up for how annoying it is to try to use any other time. Panther Robot is just the worst. Okay, that was an exaggeration, Proto Panther actually is the worst. How on earth did you put this above Proto King, anyway?
ok this might be fun.
Eagle Robot dose nothave the Twin Beam cannon shot thing which is what i liked from the prototype. Barron and Duke are good and if you look at the cost and what they can do. quite cheap. i only drop proto king because you would not want to use it. panther is ok not the best and never will be nor the worst (if you look at death borgs, magnet robot and Eagle Robot). king is one of the best ones as as you get so much for 1000 cost (ok fort borgs at that cost will give you more). you get jet which is a reasonably good bomber, a tank witch has the fire power (just not as much as titan tank) and a robot which will do the melee fighting. titan has got loads of fire power with the javlin shots. i woul like to mention i do use a few jets (mostly blue striker) |
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Post by Death Eye on Apr 12, 2013 22:58:30 GMT
ok this might be fun.
Eagle Robot dose nothave the Twin Beam cannon shot thing which is what i liked from the prototype.Fair enough, personal preference is a thing I acknowledge the existence of. But personal preference doesn't make Proto Eagle better than Eagle Robot, just like it doesn't make Death Borg Beta II better than a Revolver Gunman. Eagle Robot is still one of the best beam-spammers in the game, regardless of anybody's opinion. Good? Yes. Equal? Not at all. The Jet has nothing but inaccurate bombs and bullets that are actually no easier to aim than Eagle Jet's beams, while the Tank has a much easier time aiming those bullets and a much better secondary weapon in the dual-cannonthing attack. (I really need to learn the names of these attacks...) Unless you would. Which, uh, you would. It's way better than you think, like I explained earlier. Unless you mean that it's boring to use, which is entirely subjective. Similarly, Normal Knight's amazing if you look at Death Borg Nu II and Death Borg Gamma II. In a discussion specifically about the transformers, Panther Robot is the worst. (Admittedly, it may just be that I haven't learned to use Robot form properly, but even accounting for that possibility, well, just look at its attacks. All it has going for it is the mediocre dual tire shot and that beam Panther Vehicle does ten times better.) Not arguing that. Well, aside from the part where Victory Jet's a "reasonably good bomber." Its bombs are hilariously inaccurate. All it provides that's worth using is speed. And infinite air time if you want to annoy melee attackers or try to imitate an Eagle Robot. Too bad they're so slow as to almost be purely situational. They all handle entirely differently from Eagle Jet and Victory Jet. Especially Blue Striker. |
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