What's the big deal? (dragons)

[dillybar64]

As you have probably guessed, I struggle to understand the appeal of the more expensive units.
I just get this itch on the back of my neck whenever I put one on my team.
I don't like putting so many points into one thing.
It feels like I am putting too many eggs in one basket, which makes me nervous, especially when my basket will be running around amidst lasers and explosions.

I tried the dragons for awhile, Blizzard and Cosmic Dragon especially (got both up to about level 6) and still don't understand them. I am hoping that someone with an opposing opinion can help shed some light on this for me.

As you have gathered from the title of this thread I don't get dragons.
They are about 500 points more expensive than fortress borgs and have half the HP.
Dragons have a lower defense stat too.

Like I mentioned in another post in the thread about borgs that are freakishly expensive
Their attack power is formidable (when you can hit) but they are far too vulnerable to little units when they little unit is so close they are in danger of being inhaled.
For thunder dragon, he has that electricity thing corse by his feet whenever he takes a step, but it isn't too much better. Blizzard Dragon freezes you when he squishes you. Flame Dragon (and I think Cosmic Dragon too) just deal damage.
Sure, if you get caught underfoot you take damage, are frozen/electrified/etc. But then just attack it from behind or from above (my personal favorite direction to attack anything from). The dragon can't turn as fast as you can strafe.
Cosmic Dragon can at least shoot people dancing around his face, but that is one dragon. 1 out of 4 (not counting larger/smaller versions, small versions aren't "worth it" by any stretch of the phrase) dragons don't have a blind spot the size of a barn. Thus the dragons in general are too expensive and Cosmic Dragon is still up for debate. And I have honestly never really had a problem taking it down with one unit, two tops.

If you want to try and dominate the field with a giant thing of death why use dragons?
Why not just use fortress borgs instead?

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Oct 15, 2010 22:46:14 GMT dillybar64 said:

As you have probably guessed, I struggle to understand the appeal of the more expensive units.
I just get this itch on the back of my neck whenever I put one on my team.
I don't like putting so many points into one thing.
It feels like I am putting too many eggs in one basket, which makes me nervous, especially when my basket will be running around amidst lasers and explosions.

I tried the dragons for awhile, Blizzard and Cosmic Dragon especially (got both up to about level 6) and still don't understand them. I am hoping that someone with an opposing opinion can help shed some light on this for me.

As you have gathered from the title of this thread I don't get dragons.
They are about 500 points more expensive than fortress borgs and have half the HP.
Dragons have a lower defense stat too.

Like I mentioned in another post in the thread about borgs that are freakishly expensive
Their attack power is formidable (when you can hit) but they are far too vulnerable to little units when they little unit is so close they are in danger of being inhaled.
For thunder dragon, he has that electricity thing corse by his feet whenever he takes a step, but it isn't too much better. Blizzard Dragon freezes you when he squishes you. Flame Dragon (and I think Cosmic Dragon too) just deal damage.
Sure, if you get caught underfoot you take damage, are frozen/electrified/etc. But then just attack it from behind or from above (my personal favorite direction to attack anything from). The dragon can't turn as fast as you can strafe.
Cosmic Dragon can at least shoot people dancing around his face, but that is one dragon. 1 out of 4 (not counting larger/smaller versions, small versions aren't "worth it" by any stretch of the phrase) dragons don't have a blind spot the size of a barn. Thus the dragons in general are too expensive and Cosmic Dragon is still up for debate. And I have honestly never really had a problem taking it down with one unit, two tops.

If you want to try and dominate the field with a giant thing of death why use dragons?
Why not just use fortress borgs instead?

Well Dragons are meant to be hit by smaller units. So are Fortresses. But Dragon's X attack (Charged X Attack for Machine Dragon and Cyber Death Dragon) are more devastating then a Fortress. Besides, once you get a dragon in the air (the bigger one's that is), you've pretty much won. Except for Wing and Phoenix. They don't deserve to be in the dragon group.

[Viroth]

I find that Dragons are mostly a counter to larger borgs, such as fortresses and smaller dragons (what CAN'T beat them?), and slow borgs such as tanks. They're not meant to take on small melee types, kind of how like a huge-ass artillery cannon would blow up a castle, but can't kill infantry efficiently.

So, if you're going up against fortresses and the like, use dragons. Anything else and you're not that very cost effective compared to fortresses (from what I gather.) The only exception would be Cyber Dragon, whose little remote beams are a pain for small units.

[dillybar64]

Oct 15, 2010 23:05:16 GMT @blackheart said:

Oct 15, 2010 22:46:14 GMT dillybar64 said:

As you have probably guessed, I struggle to understand the appeal of the more expensive units.
I just get this itch on the back of my neck whenever I put one on my team.
I don't like putting so many points into one thing.
It feels like I am putting too many eggs in one basket, which makes me nervous, especially when my basket will be running around amidst lasers and explosions.

I tried the dragons for awhile, Blizzard and Cosmic Dragon especially (got both up to about level 6) and still don't understand them. I am hoping that someone with an opposing opinion can help shed some light on this for me.

As you have gathered from the title of this thread I don't get dragons.
They are about 500 points more expensive than fortress borgs and have half the HP.
Dragons have a lower defense stat too.

Like I mentioned in another post in the thread about borgs that are freakishly expensive
Their attack power is formidable (when you can hit) but they are far too vulnerable to little units when they little unit is so close they are in danger of being inhaled.
For thunder dragon, he has that electricity thing corse by his feet whenever he takes a step, but it isn't too much better. Blizzard Dragon freezes you when he squishes you. Flame Dragon (and I think Cosmic Dragon too) just deal damage.
Sure, if you get caught underfoot you take damage, are frozen/electrified/etc. But then just attack it from behind or from above (my personal favorite direction to attack anything from). The dragon can't turn as fast as you can strafe.
Cosmic Dragon can at least shoot people dancing around his face, but that is one dragon. 1 out of 4 (not counting larger/smaller versions, small versions aren't "worth it" by any stretch of the phrase) dragons don't have a blind spot the size of a barn. Thus the dragons in general are too expensive and Cosmic Dragon is still up for debate. And I have honestly never really had a problem taking it down with one unit, two tops.

If you want to try and dominate the field with a giant thing of death why use dragons?
Why not just use fortress borgs instead?

Besides, once you get a dragon in the air (the bigger one's that is), you've pretty much won. Except for Wing and Phoenix. They don't deserve to be in the dragon group.

This is the second time that someone has told me that in air=win.
I don't understand how.
Can you please elaborate?

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Oct 15, 2010 23:44:34 GMT dillybar64 said:

This is the second time that someone has told me that in air=win.
I don't understand how.
Can you please elaborate?

Dragon's X attack is much easier to turn with in the air.

[dillybar64]

Oct 16, 2010 0:56:22 GMT @blackheart said:

Oct 15, 2010 23:44:34 GMT dillybar64 said:

This is the second time that someone has told me that in air=win.
I don't understand how.
Can you please elaborate?

Dragon's X attack is much easier to turn with in the air.

But it takes so long to get in the air.
And if your foes try and run away/under you (like a nonAI would) then aren't you better off trying to blast them from the ground?

[Deleted]

Oct 15, 2010 23:14:12 GMT Viroth said:

I find that Dragons are mostly a counter to larger borgs, such as fortresses and smaller dragons (what CAN'T beat them?), and slow borgs such as tanks. They're not meant to take on small melee types, kind of how like a huge-ass artillery cannon would blow up a castle, but can't kill infantry efficiently.

So, if you're going up against fortresses and the like, use dragons. Anything else and you're not that very cost effective compared to fortresses (from what I gather.) The only exception would be Cyber Dragon, whose little remote beams are a pain for small units.

Beam satellite makes a good fortress/dragon killer (both weapons are high damage poor accuracy stuff). Cheaper than a dragon, too.

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Oct 16, 2010 1:13:35 GMT dillybar64 said:

Oct 16, 2010 0:56:22 GMT @blackheart said:

Dragon's X attack is much easier to turn with in the air.

But it takes so long to get in the air.
And if your foes try and run away/under you (like a nonAI would) then aren't you better off trying to blast them from the ground?

If you're a big dragon, those foes can't get you to stay down.

[dillybar64]

Oct 16, 2010 3:01:11 GMT @blackheart said:

Oct 16, 2010 1:13:35 GMT dillybar64 said:

But it takes so long to get in the air.
And if your foes try and run away/under you (like a nonAI would) then aren't you better off trying to blast them from the ground?

If you're a big dragon, those foes can't get you to stay down.

I don't know.
It has been my experience that it is easier to dodge a vertical pillar of death sweeping across the plains than a horizontal one.

[Admin]

Flame, Blizzard and Plasma Dragons are the most devastating Borgs in the entire game.

As been mentioned, they rule the skies since their Breath attack can cover a great deal of area really swiftly and anything that isn't another big dragon/fortress that gets caught perishes, simple as that.

Since the flying meter isn't depleted during a Breath attack, the dragons can stay in the air for a much, much longer time than usual, and you hardly need more than a second to wait in-between attacks.

If an enemy should be lucky to get directly below, the B-shot takes care of that.


I usually clean a whole fight within moments with a Flame Dragon that could easily take up to several minutes with another, normal-sized Borg.

[The Regal RP Mod]

Cosmic Dragon is worth the 1700 in my opinion. He has all the advantages of a big dragon(no stagger, can fly for almost ever with X attack) and has the bonus of his beams being more jefe in the air. For example: something gets behind you, take to the air and then hit b. Fires a beam right beneath him backwards into their face.

And, this may just seem like it, but i think dragons attack faster in the air.

[Sentinel]

I don't like using dragons cuz they make it FAR too easy too win, which makes them extremely boring. But like I said before, they're very strong, so it makes sense to me why people like them.

[thadudette]

I don't particularly like dragons either, mostly because I'm too clumsy with them myself, since I prefer speed to slow powerhouses xP Whenever I try to get up in the air, I always get knocked back down, and whenever I'm not in the air I can't aim and I still get knocked down
I can kind of see how they would be good, but I've never seen anyone obliterate a whole field with dragons and I can't figure out how to handle them

[Admin]

^ Sounds to me like you're controlling small dragons.
Go big, girl!

[yuurei]

Dragons are pwnsome when used correctly. The first thing you need to understand is that their attacks launch faster in the air. Way faster. You need to be in the air too be a true threat. The easiest way to get into the air is just hit A and use B until your up fairly high. The B moves have massive amounts of auto aim when used in the air. It gets to the point where blizzard dragon will shoot through his own face or turn 180 and then shoot through his face.

Their X attacks are stupid powerful. They take out like 600 hp on a full hit. On the ground, moving while using X is slow. In the air (Even a tiny bit in the air. Their feet just has to be not on the ground.) it's fast enough to turn past them after hitting them. In short, tap A before you use X.

I can wreck entire forces with a single blizzard dragon. They have a bit of a learning curve but after you know their tricks... They become game breakers.

Protip: A good way to line up your Xbreath is by using a B attack beforehand. The autoaim from B will make you turn toward where the enemy was when you hit B. After that jump and use X for a insta kill.

[dillybar64]

The problem that I am having with the air is that, yes it is good... against bots.
But against people I get slapped out of the sky so fast that it isn't worth it.
When I hit the sky bots are all "Hurr durr" But when I am against actual people it takes too much time to get into the air. I might as well stay on the ground.
And then the dragon is too limited (especially against competent people ) so I might as well not use dragons.

[Admin]

^ Choose a big dragon and all those problems will be solved in a snap.

[dillybar64]

Whether it be the large ice dragon (Blizzard Dragon I think) or Cosmic Dragon, I get slapped out of the sky.
Dragons flinch.
When a dragon flinches it falls out of the sky.
And remember, the metagame at my house has evolved to be quite dodge heavy so it is pretty easy me to be going up against a Cyber Ninja, Cyber Girl Hyper, Cyber Mar, or a Gold Hero.
They just dodge it because the dragon's beam is now basically a vertical so even though it fires faster it is easier to dodge if you see it coming and are a fast character.

And then they just hit me, wait a sec for the inevitable thing I fire, dodge, hit me again, and before I know it I was slapped out of the sky.

[njayhuang]

If it's vertical, you're too high in the air.

[Admin]

Feb 7, 2011 20:54:27 GMT dillybar64 said:

Whether it be the large ice dragon (Blizzard Dragon I think) or Cosmic Dragon, I get slapped out of the sky.
Dragons flinch.
When a dragon flinches it falls out of the sky.
And remember, the metagame at my house has evolved to be quite dodge heavy so it is pretty easy me to be going up against a Cyber Ninja, Cyber Girl Hyper, Cyber Mar, or a Gold Hero.
They just dodge it because the dragon's beam is now basically a vertical so even though it fires faster it is easier to dodge if you see it coming and are a fast character.

And then they just hit me, wait a sec for the inevitable thing I fire, dodge, hit me again, and before I know it I was slapped out of the sky.

Big dragon's do not flinch, unless they're hit with another dragon breath. and they certainly do no not fall from the sky from taking damage.

I can say with 99.99 % confidence that no matter how fast and dodgy someone might be, a big dragon player will (or rather can) easily annihilate anyone who choose to play with a normal sized Borg, no matter how fast they might be.
A simple combination of B blasts and breath attacks or just either of those means dragon victory.