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Post by Dogmantra on Oct 9, 2010 16:48:50 GMT
I'm seriously suggesting that an equal point cost in borgs that can dodge is going to be better than a fortress because they can, y'know, dodge.
Dodging > health because health eventually runs out.
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Post by dillybar64 on Oct 10, 2010 4:09:31 GMT
That fortress borgs are some of the greatest borgs in the game, because they have an insane amount of hp and shot, to make up for the fact that they cannot dodge. Unless you're seriously suggesting that fortress borgs aren't very good and have a harder time taking down a normal ninja because it can dodge? If so, then you have very poor aim. You are overly exaggerating and misconstruing his point. Welcome to the land of logical fallacies. He is saying that sacrificing all movement for HP isn't the best things ever. You shouldn't be comparing a fortress borg to a borg with a cost of 150, a borg that is supposed to be some cheap fodder. |
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Post by Admin on Oct 10, 2010 6:48:38 GMT
And dragons can't dodge worth... well... something worthless. Ever thought about that sacrifice in movement means something?  When given such devastating attack power ( in conjunction with high HP, defense and no stagger) who needs to dodge.  Once a big dragon takes to the sky, which takes, oh, about 2 seconds, they've pretty much already won, and no amount of dodging can save one now.  |
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Post by Dogmantra on Oct 10, 2010 9:04:14 GMT
When given such devastating attack power You mean like the devastating attack power that never hits?  |
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Post by MeAmCryzor on Oct 10, 2010 15:24:22 GMT
That fortress borgs are some of the greatest borgs in the game, because they have an insane amount of hp and shot, to make up for the fact that they cannot dodge. Unless you're seriously suggesting that fortress borgs aren't very good and have a harder time taking down a normal ninja because it can dodge? If so, then you have very poor aim. You are overly exaggerating and misconstruing his point. Welcome to the land of logical fallacies. He is saying that sacrificing all movement for HP isn't the best things ever. You shouldn't be comparing a fortress borg to a borg with a cost of 150, a borg that is supposed to be some cheap fodder. Fair, enough, I was over exaggerating. But I didn't misconstrue his point. I understand his point. In fact, I'll post it right here. Dodging > health because health eventually runs out. Also, normal ninja is far from cheap fodder. Dogmantra; Dragons hit all the time, if they're controlled by a human If they're controlled by a cpu, they still hit a fair amount of the time. ...and it seems we're back to the old 'This borg is crap when controlled by a cpu, therefore its crap altogether' argument  |
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Post by dillybar64 on Oct 10, 2010 15:41:10 GMT
Their attack power is formidable (when you can hit) but they are far too vulnerable to little units when they little unit is so close they are in danger of being inhaled.
Sure, if you get caught underfoot you take damage. But then just attack it from behind or from above (my personal favorite direction to attack dragons from). The dragon can't turn as fast as you can strafe. For thunder dragon, he has that electricity thing corse by his feet whenever he takes a step, but it isn't too much better.
Cosmic Dragon can at least shoot people dancing around his face, but that is one dragon. 1 out of 4 (not counting larger/smaller versions, small versions aren't "worth it" by any stretch of the phrase) dragons don't have a blind spot the size of a barn. Thus the dragons in general are too expensive and Cosmic Dragon is still up for debate. I have honestly never really had a problem taking it down with one unit, two tops.
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Post by Dogmantra on Oct 10, 2010 15:44:15 GMT
...and it seems we're back to the old 'This borg is crap when controlled by a cpu, therefore its crap altogether' argument Because that is exactly what I said.  |
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Post by MeAmCryzor on Oct 10, 2010 16:02:31 GMT
...and it seems we're back to the old 'This borg is crap when controlled by a cpu, therefore its crap altogether' argument Because that is exactly what I said. No...that is what I said..three lines above the quoted statement @sillybilly64: Blizzard dragon has the same ability as thunder dragon, except it freezes underfoot opponents. And my whole argument is that, yeah, the dragons aren't so good when on the ground, but once in the air, it becomes an entirely different matter. |
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Post by dillybar64 on Oct 10, 2010 17:00:20 GMT
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Meh, their projectiles are a lot easier to miss with when in the air so it is kind of a double edged move.
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Post by Carigun on Jul 5, 2012 16:11:34 GMT
i have a list but to save everyone's time
DRAGONS, PROTOS AND ICMB TANKS
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Post by Stove on Jul 5, 2012 16:22:42 GMT
i have a list but to save everyone's time DRAGONS, PROTOS AND ICBM TANKSThis I have a problem with. 1. I can wipe the floor with anything Cpu controlled with my Blizzard Dragon, andit takes all of 3 seconds. Plus, they're amazing if you know how to use them in the air. 2. ICBM tanks must be played strategically. Unlike some of the other borgs, it requires skill. And if it hits it is devastating. 3. The Protos are very good, better than their colored counterparts unless they are teamed to transform. Red/Mars have very good range attacks, speed, and melee. Blue has dragon/fortress destroying abilities, bulk, speed and decent melee. Atlas has super accurate remote beams that don't halt movement. ICBM I almost agree with you on. But your argument is invalid. Ultimate Cannon takes strategy, but I find it slightly overpriced. I find Shadow Girl to be a great borg. People say Cosmic Dragon is the best, but my strategy doesnt work well with him, plus he doesn't turn right when using b shot. |
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Post by Carigun on Jul 5, 2012 16:26:02 GMT
i have a list but to save everyone's time DRAGONS, PROTOS AND ICBM TANKSThis I have a problem with. 1. I can wipe the floor with anything Cpu controlled with my Blizzard Dragon, andit takes all of 3 seconds. Plus, they're amazing if you know how to use them in the air. 2. ICBM tanks must be played strategically. Unlike some of the other borgs, it requires skill. And if it hits it is devastating. 3. The Protos are very good, better than their colored counterparts unless they are teamed to transform. Red/Mars have very good range attacks, speed, and melee. Blue has dragon/fortress destroying abilities, bulk, speed and decent melee. Atlas has super accurate remote beams that don't halt movement. ICBM I almost agree with you on. But your argument is invalid. Ultimate Cannon takes strategy, but I find it slightly overpriced. I find Shadow Girl to be a great borg. People say Cosmic Dragon is the best, but my strategy doesnt work well with him, plus he doesn't turn right when using b shot. i cannot get 3 icbm bombs out of it |
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Post by Stove on Jul 5, 2012 16:31:23 GMT
That'd be because you don't know when to use the missiles.
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Post by cyberhero303063 on Jul 7, 2012 17:35:57 GMT
Galactic emperor if thats spelled right
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Post by Stove on Jul 7, 2012 17:36:52 GMT
Galactic emperor if thats spelled right That on the other hand is true. |
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Post by cyberhero303063 on Jul 7, 2012 18:05:33 GMT
and death fortress. its just a copy of antares and that other thing( the white one) my point is they do have some bang but move to slowly if at all. |
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Post by Death Eye on Jul 10, 2012 20:43:18 GMT
and death fortress. its just a copy of antares and that other thing( the white one) my point is they do have some bang but move to slowly if at all. "That other thing" is Sirius. And while they can't move, they also can't be killed by most AI-controlled Borgs. At least not in 15 minutes or less. |
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Post by Carigun on Jul 10, 2012 23:45:08 GMT
sirius is cheap for what it can do. and is fantastic agenst 2.
follow: LXLXLX and so on or RXRXRX and so on
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 23:59:01 GMT
the cyber dragon. he is so cool at first, until you realize that he is a combiner, and his wing beams are basically his only good weapon when he isnt combined.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 2:23:57 GMT
fortress Borgs Cant dodge easy to hit and no strong attacks and no finishing moves (moves that cause a lot of damage) Sirius's X charge hits fairly well but the yellow aim er circle screws everything up it only works on Galactic Emperor since his aim is all ways red.
Cyb er atlases attacks are all weak some of them do literally 1 damage.
none of the individual combiners have any strong attacks but pretty good melee
Galactic emperor DEFIANTLY isn't worth 3000
Cyber dragon is difficult to play with and has like no good attacks
that's all i can think of off the top of my head
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