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Post by Metal on Jun 23, 2013 5:06:17 GMT
No company in their right mind. You dont get to be the biggest computer software manufacturer in the world by being in your right mind. It was a marketing scam. With one of two possible outcomes either a) people dont care or b) they get pissed and we "fix" the console so it looks like we care about our customers input. Marketing genius. Period, its what microsoft does. As far as exclusives go, i have found that its the later titles and exclusives that come later on rather than launch exclusives that determine the success of a console. Halo is great and all, but it wont carry or break the xbone. Just like kh3 wont break or carry the ps4. As far as the "psi" or whatever, it has been disccussed that most games after launch will require it to interface properly. Wether or not thats a rumor i cannot verify, but i have heard it several times. As far as the whole "government spy device being inside the kinect" you own a home computer, the government can already observe whatever they choose. The kinect is the least of your worries. And honestly with all the negative hype already do you really think that the government would invest in that? Itd be a far better business venture to just shell out the money to japan to have your ps4 bugged. And al, im shocked that for someone who wants to pioneer things in his stories that you are opposed to the idea of pioneering voice tech in a game console. Sure itll probably be wonky and disfunctional at first, but so was the. Wright brothers airplane. Gotta start somewhere. And before we continue this arguement, the topic says xbox one. Not debate which next gen console is superior. Oh and because i forgot, the whole japanese developers leaving the xbone alone, more power too them, if they want to focus on japanese designed consoles then yipee, maybe the american developers can focus on the american console for once
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Post by Death Eye on Jun 23, 2013 6:36:49 GMT
As far as the "psi" or whatever, it has been disccussed that most games after launch will require it to interface properly. Wether or not thats a rumor i cannot verify, but i have heard it several times. I have heard it exactly once. From you. Knowing a guy who knows a guy who says they're going to do something is rarely a dependable source of information, at least not when nobody in that chain of guys hearing things has a source to cite other than the previous guy. That's really not how it works. How it works is Microsoft says "Hey, I hear you're collecting data on literally everybody. We have a camera coming out of our box, pretty much all the market share on computers, and maybe a VoIP thing. Here, have some data." (They actually signed up back in 2007, but you get the idea.) The government doesn't pay Microsoft to make a game box with a camera coming out of it, Microsoft makes a game box with a camera coming out of it and hands the data to the government. Also in the case of a computer without malware transmitting a record of all your files to the government the worst they could do is bug the ISP enough to get a record of your downloads/uploads. And even then they'd have to find you suspicious enough to warrant going out of their way to get the data, whereas in Microsoft's case the government apparently takes the data and runs it through a filter to see if anybody used a suspicious word. Meaning they take your data to determine if they need to take your data. And this probably isn't just me being crazy, I made it a point to read about PRISM on Wikipedia. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, you can go to the Wikipedia page and read about it and it'll pretty much match up with what I just said.
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Post by Metal on Jun 23, 2013 8:02:32 GMT
As far as the "psi" or whatever, it has been disccussed that most games after launch will require it to interface properly. Wether or not thats a rumor i cannot verify, but i have heard it several times. I have heard it exactly once. From you. Knowing a guy who knows a guy who says they're going to do something is rarely a dependable source of information, at least not when nobody in that chain of guys hearing things has a source to cite other than the previous guy. That's really not how it works. How it works is Microsoft says "Hey, I hear you're collecting data on literally everybody. We have a camera coming out of our box, pretty much all the market share on computers, and maybe a VoIP thing. Here, have some data." (They actually signed up back in 2007, but you get the idea.) The government doesn't pay Microsoft to make a game box with a camera coming out of it, Microsoft makes a game box with a camera coming out of it and hands the data to the government. Also in the case of a computer without malware transmitting a record of all your files to the government the worst they could do is bug the ISP enough to get a record of your downloads/uploads. And even then they'd have to find you suspicious enough to warrant going out of their way to get the data, whereas in Microsoft's case the government apparently takes the data and runs it through a filter to see if anybody used a suspicious word. Meaning they take your data to determine if they need to take your data. And this probably isn't just me being crazy, I made it a point to read about PRISM on Wikipedia. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, you can go to the Wikipedia page and read about it and it'll pretty much match up with what I just said. You rather missed my point i think, the point was the government didnt just start spying on people. Them using a kinect cam is vastly no different than them checking your pc logs. Also the government having reason to suspect someone? The fact that the word government has been used several times is reason enough for both of us to be suspects XD
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Post by Death Eye on Jun 23, 2013 8:54:20 GMT
You rather missed my point i think, the point was the government didnt just start spying on people. Them using a kinect cam is vastly no different than them checking your pc logs. There is a bit of a difference. Namely, one of them is a list of everything you do with the internet and one of them is a microphone sitting in your living room. They've always been able to track everything you do on the internet, but with the Kinect the potential is there for them to listen in on real-life conversations. For no reason other than they think you're suspicious. Probably for reasons as lame as "you used the J word." I'm pretty sure the government uses the word government more often than we are. We're probably okay on that front. Also off-topic I just pulled "the J word" from nowhere and am pleased to find out that TheJWord.org is actually a thing relevant to the word I was referring to.
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Post by Metal on Jun 23, 2013 13:04:45 GMT
We were already off topic anyways XD, real life conversations? You mean like obama bugging every virizon phone in the nation? They already monitor us, as we are all susoicious persons because we arent bio robots that they can control we have free will. We have satellites in orbit that can shoot down an icbm, i seriously doubt they dont have a way to monitor our irl convos already. We have telephones that stay on 90% of the time, which are basically just two speakers and a trasciever. Honestly DE, im super paranoid about this stuff, and while i dont doubt that the kinect speaker is onnthe list of civillian monitoring devices, i hardly think its the first one.
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Post by Death Eye on Jun 23, 2013 16:56:14 GMT
We were already off topic anyways XD, real life conversations? You mean like obama bugging every virizon phone in the nation? They already monitor us, as we are all susoicious persons because we arent bio robots that they can control we have free will. We have satellites in orbit that can shoot down an icbm, i seriously doubt they dont have a way to monitor our irl convos already. We have telephones that stay on 90% of the time, which are basically just two speakers and a trasciever. Honestly DE, im super paranoid about this stuff, and while i dont doubt that the kinect speaker is onnthe list of civillian monitoring devices, i hardly think its the first one. The phone bugging is certainly a step above the internet monitoring, but the Kinect is a step above that, as far as I know they just took all Verizon's call logs so obviously all they got was actual calls. The Kinect is like if the phones were picking up everything rather than just what it's used for. Which come to think of it is entirely possible and probably what you're talking about and/or a thing they're doing. The Kinect just bugs me because it's so blatantly obvious, I guess. "Oh hey don't mind us we're just going to put this camera on our new console and have it always listening to you. No you can't disconnect it. Can you turn it off? Sure, we'll put an option in a menu or something. You still can't disconnect it, though. Why? Don't worry about it. By the way, you have internet, right? Good, make sure you're connected to it as much as possible, we can't stream our camera feed run your game in THE CLOUD™ without it. Oh, and you don't read the terms of service, do you? No? Good, we wouldn't want you to notice that we can change literally any of our policies at any time and you can't sue us. there's nothing of note in there anyway, you're just wasting your time if you do that. What about PRISM? You think we're handing data to the government? Nah, only when they force us to, just like any other company. Us being in PRISM doesn't mean anything. Don't worry, you can trust us. "
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Post by Metal on Jun 23, 2013 20:45:56 GMT
We were already off topic anyways XD, real life conversations? You mean like obama bugging every virizon phone in the nation? They already monitor us, as we are all susoicious persons because we arent bio robots that they can control we have free will. We have satellites in orbit that can shoot down an icbm, i seriously doubt they dont have a way to monitor our irl convos already. We have telephones that stay on 90% of the time, which are basically just two speakers and a trasciever. Honestly DE, im super paranoid about this stuff, and while i dont doubt that the kinect speaker is onnthe list of civillian monitoring devices, i hardly think its the first one. The phone bugging is certainly a step above the internet monitoring, but the Kinect is a step above that, as far as I know they just took all Verizon's call logs so obviously all they got was actual calls. The Kinect is like if the phones were picking up everything rather than just what it's used for. Which come to think of it is entirely possible and probably what you're talking about and/or a thing they're doing. The Kinect just bugs me because it's so blatantly obvious, I guess. "Oh hey don't mind us we're just going to put this camera on our new console and have it always listening to you. No you can't disconnect it. Can you turn it off? Sure, we'll put an option in a menu or something. You still can't disconnect it, though. Why? Don't worry about it. By the way, you have internet, right? Good, make sure you're connected to it as much as possible, we can't stream our camera feed run your game in THE CLOUD™ without it. Oh, and you don't read the terms of service, do you? No? Good, we wouldn't want you to notice that we can change literally any of our policies at any time and you can't sue us. there's nothing of note in there anyway, you're just wasting your time if you do that. What about PRISM? You think we're handing data to the government? Nah, only when they force us to, just like any other company. Us being in PRISM doesn't mean anything. Don't worry, you can trust us. " Actually that was what i was talking about XD, after nixon got busted for watergate they had to find a better place to hide wireless trancievers. Oh look wireless telephones suddenly hit the market, now theres no boring cord causing you to have to stand in one spot, and you can do your housework while on the phone. Dont mind the giant radio atenae on the thing, it certainly isnt transmitting your call to a government call monitoring facility or anything. What you mean the charge stand has an antanae too? Oh thats just so the call can transmit properly from the cordless phone to the other end of the line. It certainly doesnt allow us to listen in when your phone is cradled or anything. Its the same base principal as the kinect is. No one reads those laborious owners manuals right? Same thing as the policies, all they had to do was ship a recall notice out when they changed something, and then your court arguement went up in smoke, like oh the manual was revised, sorry your phone was purchased before the recall and you missed the memo. Why else make those blame things so long? It is obvious yes, but its no less obvious than an online gaming headset. And with all the things eeve talked about them bugging, i doubt theyd pass on the headsets. Which brings up a feature i wonder if they will implement. Using the kinect speaker as your gaming mic. Its rather ingenious and less hassle than an actual headset.
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Post by Jay24092 on Jun 29, 2013 11:43:32 GMT
I am sick of the way game consoles are going to make it online only I dont want to be online and if I did then I use my laptop
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2013 13:47:32 GMT
I am sick of the way game consoles are going to make it online only I dont want to be online and if I did then I use my laptop Microsoft actually went back on that, none of the next gen consoles are going to have always online requirements. Still, can't trust microsoft anymore. Especially that kinect, that useless security risk is not worth keeping in my home.
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Post by Jay24092 on Jun 29, 2013 14:38:22 GMT
I know they went back on it but my point remains online games should be left to pc's
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Post by Doublesuya on Jul 8, 2013 1:06:48 GMT
This console is doomed to fail, 'nuff said.
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Post by Metal on Jul 8, 2013 7:43:21 GMT
This console is doomed to fail, 'nuff said. If we get technical here, all consoles are "doomed to fail" because a newer console will come out and make it obsolete. I think that the xboxone will probably do bad at launch, then be a heavt hitter late in the game. Kind of how ps3 did...
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Post by Death Eye on Jul 8, 2013 15:10:39 GMT
This console is doomed to fail, 'nuff said. If we get technical here, all consoles are "doomed to fail" because a newer console will come out and make it obsolete. I think that the xboxone will probably do bad at launch, then be a heavt hitter late in the game. Kind of how ps3 did... From what I've heard it's substantially weaker than the PS4 thanks to some kind of manufacturing issues or something, so it'll probably have to get by on exclusives. And over half of its exclusives are shooters, so it'll sell just fine.
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Post by Jay24092 on Jul 8, 2013 15:42:49 GMT
You know what really I would still buy a N64 for £500 than a XBOX ONE for the same price
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 15:53:34 GMT
You know what really I would still buy a N64 for £500 than a XBOX ONE for the same price I wouldn't. N64 games are emulatable, have remakes and virtual console releases. And while I never used one, that controller for the N64 looks atrocious. I'm really happy there are now gamecube controller options and such, and the Wii U tablet isn't as bad as everyone thinks it is.
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Post by Death Eye on Jul 8, 2013 16:57:02 GMT
And while I never used one, that controller for the N64 looks atrocious. It's actually a great controller aside from the analog stick being probably the worst one ever manufactured. And it's possible to replace that.
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Post by Stove on Jul 9, 2013 6:23:32 GMT
And while I never used one, that controller for the N64 looks atrocious. It's actually a great controller aside from the analog stick being probably the worst one ever manufactured. And it's possible to replace that. This. That analog stick is just....UGH that thing is terrible. Other than that I like the N64 controller. And XBox definetly doesn't have my business this gen. I don't even know how they got it for this last generation.
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Post by Metal on Jul 9, 2013 7:08:19 GMT
It's actually a great controller aside from the analog stick being probably the worst one ever manufactured. And it's possible to replace that. This. That analog stick is just....UGH that thing is terrible. Other than that I like the N64 controller. And XBox definetly doesn't have my business this gen. I don't even know how they got it for this last generation. Because bill gates is a marketing wizard.
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Post by Stove on Jul 9, 2013 7:18:40 GMT
This. That analog stick is just....UGH that thing is terrible. Other than that I like the N64 controller. And XBox definetly doesn't have my business this gen. I don't even know how they got it for this last generation. Because bill gates is a marketing wizard. Well technically I didn't even buy it, or even ask for it. So he didn't get MY business persay.
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Post by Metal on Jul 9, 2013 17:26:07 GMT
Because bill gates is a marketing wizard. Well technically I didn't even buy it, or even ask for it. So he didn't get MY business persay. The point is that someone in your family bought you one, causing you to want games for it, and to want to spend money on xbox live so you could play with your friends online. Somewhere along the line im sure some of the money spent was your own. Cause i know my mom and dad wouldnt just by me year after year of xbox live.
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